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The Kryptonians refused to believe that they were going to die except for Jor El.
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  • So an entire intellectual and high tech civilisation bar one man, dismissed the fool proof evidence of their planet's demise? Sounds a bit improbable to me.

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  • I thought it was stated the kryptonians were an arrogant race or something, so when Jor-El was like "y'all n00bs gunna die!", they were like, "lol -blam!- you old man, we ain't goin' [i]nowhere[/i]." And then Jor sent Kal out to Earth so at least his son would survive, protect the Earth, and be a ripoff of Jesus the Christ, moments before being killed when Rao went supernova or something.

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  • Arrogant to dismiss a highly profound scientist's hypothesis, yet smart enough to develop trans galactic technology? I dunno man. Somehow I'm just not buying this.

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  • If a random science guy claimed the Earth was going to blow up, would you believe him outright?

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  • I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him outright. That's for sure.

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  • I can understand that if a whole group of scientists claimed that, but one guy? He'd be considered a crackpot and laughed at.

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  • Despite the evidence he provided? It doesn't really matter how many scientists claimed it. If there's evidence, you don't just offhandedly deny it so quickly. Even if it is slightly flawed.

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  • Yes you would. And who said they outright dismissed him? If in the Earth 1 canon doesn't explain it the best thing to do is go to another canon source what explains the same story, TAS. And going of TAS, then not only was he the only person going around saying these things, his evidence was shrugged off by the highly intelligent AI Brainiac. It's rather obvious why they didn't believe him

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  • You keep using TAS for reasons beyond me. I'll reiterate myself. TAS is not canon. Nor is it affiliated with Earth One history. You can't just assume that story can work in other universes and canonical timelines. It doesn't work like that I'm afraid.

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  • And like I said, just because it's not canon doesn't mean the explanation is used is less valid. You're looking for one, don't be so quick to dismiss one what makes alot of sense. Think about it, Brainiac is a hyper intelligent AI, of course they would ask him to verify the evidence for him.

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  • Edited by Madman Mordo: 2/16/2013 11:03:06 AM
    [quote]And like I said, just because it's not canon doesn't mean the explanation is used is less valid.[/quote] It kind of is, when they're completely separate universes. Look, I get it. It's a good explanation. But it's not canonically correlated with the Earth One universe. End of story.

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  • Well if there are no explanations for Earth-1 and you refuse to accept any other explanations other universes give, you're just going to have to suck it

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  • Edited by Madman Mordo: 2/16/2013 11:21:16 AM
    Alright Fatman. All I was trying to do was get a discussion going and to see if anyone picked up any small things that I missed. No need to get all edgy.

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  • Bitch I'm made of edgyness. It's why I'm called fat-cardboard-man

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  • [quote]Sounds a bit improbable to me.[/quote] Well we are talking about comic books.

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  • Well, they're not all scientists. If we go of Superman TAS, the highest court asked brainiac to verify Jor's evidence and Brainiac said it was false, but only to give himself a chance to escape.

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  • Edited by Trollheim: 2/15/2013 11:18:47 PM
    Yeah I like this best. Who are you going to trust, a machine intelligence with massive processing power that has basically all of the knowledge of Krypton at its disposable, or one potentially rogue scientist? Brainiac doomed their race to begin the process of digitizing the universe. I don't believe that Superman is that strong though. When he gets super-charged he's powerful, but the difference is that he has to run from a fight and find a yellow sun to do it. Imagine if he was fighting Goku on Namek, or on Apokolips, or basically tons of other places in both universes that aren't supported by a yellow sun... Supes would get his s*** rocked by Goku. And it isn't like Goku can't force the issue either with his Instant Transmission.

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  • Edited by Madman Mordo: 2/16/2013 10:37:37 AM
    [quote]I don't believe that Superman is that strong though. When he gets super-charged he's powerful, but the difference is that he has to run from a fight and find a yellow sun to do it. Imagine if he was fighting Goku on Namek, or on Apokolips, or basically tons of other places in both universes that aren't supported by a yellow sun... Supes would get his s*** rocked by Goku. And it isn't like Goku can't force the issue either with his Instant Transmission.[/quote] Death Battle actually got this one wrong/didn't make this clear enough. When you remove a yellow star from Superman, he doesn't automatically lose his powers. His Kryptonian cells allow him to store energy, which slowly drains over time if he's not in proximity to a Sun. So he's perfectly capable of fighting without one. Hell, New 52 Supes had him bench pressing the Earth underground for 5 straight days, and only broke one bead of sweat. And he's supposed to be the nerfed Superman.

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  • [quote]When you remove a yellow star from Superman, he doesn't automatically lose his powers. His Kryptonian cells allow him to store energy, which slowly drains over time if he's not in proximity to a Sun. So he's perfectly capable of fighting without one.[/quote] I am aware of that. However, in a place without a yellow sun, he won't passively recharge spent energy during a fight and he can't escape into the sun to super charge.

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  • Edited by Madman Mordo: 2/16/2013 12:11:46 PM
    True to an extent. If he conserves his energy, and doesn't spam his heat vision, he could fight for days, possibly weeks without the Sun. Goku would have to have him drained for months, on the ropes, and some kryptonite on his person, to have Superman anywhere near his level. And that's laughably implausible as it stands.

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  • Not disputing that. But there had to be more than one scientist who knew their planet was going kaboom if the evidence was so compelling.

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  • Who's to say the evidence was compelling?

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  • True. I still think it's highly retarded to judiciously dismiss the hypothesis of an intelligent scientist. Not to mention I find it slightly perplexing that only him predicted this event.

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  • I think the judgement of a highly intelligent (Come on, you know brainiac is incredibly intelligent) AI who had fully analysed the evidence presented to them is enough to deny the hypothesis of Jor. And even if they did, like Brainiac said, there would have been no time to launch a full evacuation.

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