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Edited by Hoggs Bison: 2/5/2013 2:18:56 PM
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Leaked Justice Dept memo says when it's legal to assassinate US citizens

[url=http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16843014-exclusive-justice-department-memo-reveals-legal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite]Check it.[/url] [url=http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf]Here's the full 16-page memo.[/url] The leaked memo concludes that "the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be 'senior operational leaders' of al-Qaida or 'an associated force'-- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S." [quote]The condition that an operational leader present an 'imminent' threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,' the memo states. Instead, it says, an 'informed, high-level' official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been 'recently' involved in 'activities' posing a threat of a violent attack and 'there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities'. The memo does not define 'recently' or 'activities'. In addition to the suspect being an imminent threat, capture of the target must be 'infeasible', and the strike must be conducted according to 'law of war principles.' But the memo elaborates on some of these factors in ways that go beyond what the attorney general said publicly. For example, it states that U.S. officials may consider whether an attempted capture of a suspect would pose an 'undue risk' to U.S. personnel involved in such an operation. If so, U.S. officials could determine that the capture operation of the targeted American would not be feasible, making it lawful for the U.S. government to order a killing instead, the memo concludes.[/quote] A bipartisan group of 11 senators have asked for all such memos to be released, saying "it is vitally important... for Congress and the American public to have a full understanding of how the executive branch interprets the limits and boundaries of this authority." The issue of targeted killings is becoming more important as Congress holds a hearing with John Brennan, who has been nominated by Pres. Obama to be the next CIA director. Brennan is a big proponent of drone strikes, and was the first official to publicly state that that drones were being used. Drones and targeted assassinations have been a subject of sharp debate since the killings of [url=http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/a/anwar_al_awlaki/index.html]American citizen Samir Khan, radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, and his Colorado-born son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki[/url] via drone strike.
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  • While many of us may not be a target that's not really the point, the point is some in the US government think they can get away with murder.
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  • So basically they believe they can kill whenever they think they ought to. Well, that's comforting. I, for one, feel [i]incredibly[/i] safe.
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    • Wonder when it will be when the word terrorist is changed to also include dissenters and those who wish to distance them selves from people. We already saw that in Waco. People died, children died, yet there is never any out rage there. People laugh when someone says the US isn't free from Tyranny, but the evidence is there.
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      • I don't give a damn about this rule. In fact, its got my full support. Protects me and other good American citizens.
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        • Slippery slope to be sure, but I understand the necessity. One of the most resounding effects of terrorism is causing people to live in, and make decisions based on fear, and the sad fact is that while the US attempts to be more secure radical decisions are going to have to be made.
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        • Edited by Paulus magintie: 2/5/2013 4:46:13 PM
          I posted this before... Also to keep tradition lolmerica
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          • Too vague for use.
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          • [quote]the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be 'senior operational leaders' of al-Qaida or 'an associated force'[/quote] When they say "believed", how strongly are they using that word?
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            • Too bad the US has already been assassinating citizens for over 100 years. They killed "terrorist leaders" Abraham Lincoln and JFK. Now they're bringing it to the general public.
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              • 'MURRICA FU­CK YEAH
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              • Le sigh, Germany it is...
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              • Edited by Symmetry: 2/5/2013 5:31:41 PM
                I'm disappointed.
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              • Edited by brandorobot: 2/5/2013 5:35:26 PM
                This pretty much confirms what I expected.
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              • They've already assassinated US citizens that were supposedly big bad terrorists. I'm not surprised in the least. This is one of the things that critics have warned about but were brushed aside with "LOL they wouldn't do that to citizens."
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                • And I see nothing wrong with that. Stop being paranoid, the government isnt going to come and kill you for no reason. The government doesn't give a shit about you other than getting half your paycheck.
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                • The fact that this memo had to be leaked after a year or more of prodding and pleading by not only the legislative branch of the government but the judicial as well (not to mention numerous non-government organizations and the UN), does not speak well of this.
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                • Shit son, that's no good.
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                • Suddenly America turns into Mega City One from 2000 ad.
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                • Definitely not a fan of this. If capturing someone is "unfeasible" and you don't have strong proof (not "evidence", proof) that they're a terrorist, then the only option should be to keep gathering evidence.
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