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2/5/2026 5:25:48 PM
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Oryx ransacked the Dreaming City in the background of the events of the Taken King. Riven allowed herself to be Taken by Oryx during that time.
Then, later, Savathun took up control of Riven's strings for her own schemes. At some point, Uldren wished for Fikrul to be saved, and Riven took advantage of that to turn Fikrul into the first Scorn, and amplified the Darkness corruption the Black Garden infected him with to influence his decisions.
Then the events of Forsaken happened. Riven used Uldren in an attempt to free herself, and the Guardian and Petra executed him. We were sent in to kill Riven and cleanse her heart, and tripped the wire for the Dreaming City curse to take effect.
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Everything you've said is nothing but conspiracy and nonsense, completely detached from the story of the game.
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Or, what if Riven casted a spell to make us think that.
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Again, no. The common thread I've found between you and the other two conspiracy theorists on this forum is that all of your arguments involve trying to invalidate the story we've been told to prop up your interpretations. Whether it be believing that the entire story is full of "lies" and "deception" because Savathun dares to exist as a God of Cunning and Lies, or whether it is trying to claim that everything is a simulation and the "true story" exists outside of it. Now, you are claiming that Riven made us think that the lore and gameplay are what happened, but that the "true story" is something that only you believe is "the real story". And each of you somehow believes that revealing everything we've played through for the past 11 years was lies, in-universe fabrications, or just simulated scenarios, will be some pinnacle of storytelling, when it would be absolutely terrible storytelling.
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Just because something doesn't fit the narrative youve come up with doesn't make it a conspiracy.
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Everything I said in my first post was the story as presented to us in gameplay and lore. That is the story Bungie told us, not some "narrative I've come up with". On the other hand, you are arguing that the story we have been told in Forsaken and afterward is a lie and fabrication, while presenting yourself as someone who has "figured out the truth". Nothing in the story implies that Petra kidnapped Mara and killed Uldren as part of some scheme to seize power for herself. There is no basis for it, just as there is no basis for all the other posts I've seen you make recently. It's all bad fanfiction.
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The basics of solving any crime is to look at who benefited. With Moyra held hostage and Utrim dead, who benefits. The obvious answer is Preta that's who. She has basically become the de facto Awoke queen and she controls the Awoke army. None of that would be possible if Moyra or Utrim was around.
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Except Mara Sov is still around, and she still acts as the leader of the Awoken. Petra Venj still serves as the Queen's Wrath, and that is the capacity in which she still fights in the Dreaming City. Everything you have said does not line up with the story. It doesn't line up with what happened in Forsaken and what has happened since then. It does not line up with how various characters interact with each other and their relationships, both in the game and in the lore. All you have done is taken pieces of the actual story out of context, trying to twist them until you can claim they say what you want them to say.
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Edited by jhermannITJ: 2/6/2026 4:49:08 PM[quote]Riven allowed herself to be Taken by Oryx during that time.[/quote] Not true. [quote]Then, later, Savathun took up control of Riven's strings for her own schemes. [/quote] Also never happened. [quote]At some point, Uldren wished for Fikrul to be saved, and Riven took advantage of that to turn Fikrul into the first Scorn, and amplified the Darkness corruption the Black Garden infected him with to influence his decisions. [/quote] Really didn't happen. [quote]Then the events of Forsaken happened. [u]Riven used Uldren[/u] in an attempt to free herself, and the Guardian and Petra executed him. We were sent in to kill Riven and cleanse her heart, and tripped the wire for the Dreaming City curse to take effect.[/quote] One thing correct, I underlined it. "The Riven twice Riven" - Mara Sov There's no conspiracy anymore. Much of what I theorized is happening... Soteria is the rug. 😇👍💠
