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12/8/2025 3:57:25 AM
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Hand cannons should not get any champions mods, maybe unstoppable but anti-barrier and overload is awful.
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Yeah, and the anti barrier on hand cannons doesn't work all the time.
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Aim down sight without firing and you’ll see it glow red for the next shot to stun anti barrier champion.
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Yeah, it doesn't always work. You have to keep resetting your aim before it procks. I'm not saying it never works. It just doesn't work all the time. With scouts, you just aim and fire. Hand cannons have a weird delay that doesn't always work without resetting. Same as unstoppable. Sometimes, it just doesn't work until you reset a couple of times.
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I haven’t had this issue so either it’s a connection issue or maybe an input error or timing issue.
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Yeah, it's happened enough times to me that I've stuck to deterministic chaos as my anti barrier go-to. Revision zero also works instantly.
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Which hand cannon did you try it with? Is it legendary? I’ll have a look and see. Fate bringer hasn’t given me any issues.
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B7, spade, and an arc one that i don't know the name of. I got it in Dreaming City awhile back. Again, it works... just not ALL the time. Ive been killed by the shield wielding cabal, anti champions, and that huge vex thing that I've decided that using those other weapons are a better option as their instant.
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Edited by TBONE: 12/9/2025 6:43:41 AMI just had another fella tells me about luna’s howl (heal clip/incandescent) , it seems that if your using HC’s that don’t have a Perk that effects the shot itself over a perk that rewards kills it will be harder to break the barrier’s shield. Thorn is the perfect example as it has an effect with every shot. Ace of spade will only get better per shot after a kill and B7 depending on your roll could be why you are seeing inconsistent results. To add as a side note If it’s a kinetic hand cannon the techsec armour set bonus will massively help out.
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I wonder if malfeasance would work with anti barrier and unstoppable?
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No a while back Bungie made a change so that weapons can’t double dip. This is because the stasis rocket side arm back in heresy could stun all 3 champions. That’s why shatter was made to only work on overloads and not unstops any more, this includes exotics bar conditional finality as it slows and ignites targets.
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That's a shame. I really like that gun... with tech armor, it seems like it'll be a bit o.p
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So an entire weapon archetype will just never be used when champs are in an activity? Okay tard
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uh oh internet tough guy.
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Because all those weapons were made before champions were added in game (which was huge mistake and still present in game).
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L take
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Care to explain?
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You think a weapon class shouldn’t get champion stun capabilities in the artefact. Thats just dumb.
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Make it work better with the gun? They are weak against champions with the exception of unstoppable.
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No it just sounds like lots of people still don’t know how the game works. Exotic hand cannons are going to be better for this by nature for the fact they have 30% increased damage. I just read on this tab someone didn’t know about aiming down sights without firing makes the next shot the stunning round. Primary weapons in general do need a buff (against orange and yellow bar enemies) but to say they are useless is just incorrect. Even blaster primary weapons have it much easier.
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I use Luna’s howl with heal clip and incandescent. It takes almost a whole clip to get the anti-barrier shield down. Legendary pulse rifles and snipers rip the barrier down. They are not as strong as the other weapons and if you don’t have a full clip you won’t be able to take the shield down.
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Luna’s howl is your issue. You’re using a HC that has 0 effects when shooting and only get a payoff after a kill. I’d change it to a weapon with a lingering effect for example thorns poison buff does count towards breaking the shield. If you do that you’ll see it change massively.
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The gun works great just not as a overload or anti-barrier champ buster. It cannot hang with other purple weapons when it comes to champions.
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Honestly I’d change it. Seems like it’s causing you issues and if you’re after healing there are many many different ways to do that. incandescent isn’t even that much of a top tier perk anymore but if ignition’s is what you’re after, again there are many ways of doing that. Alternative’s to Luna’s howl Agape Phoneutria Fera Zaouli's Bane
