All PvP is nowadays is your “casual” playlist is slightly less hardened SBMM. So basically to play casual you play sweaty, and to play sweaty you play cheesy. That’s how bad the sandbox is right now in terms of balance, and I’m not talking ttks. The best loadouts are the cheesiest and easiest to use. Shouldn’t be a thing. On Xbox at least Redrix and other lightweight pulses are incredibly imbalanced. Bungie needs to relearn how to properly balance a PvP sandbox because I think they have forgotten. You must balance things with a handful of criteria: Range TTK Ease of Use Required Accuracy For example: High Impact Pulses Medium range Extremely fast TTK Fairly difficult to use well High accuracy required (6 headshots) That is a balanced archetype. Now here’s another example, tell me if you see the issue. Redrix Estoc Short(Hip-fire)-Medium-Long range Competitive TTK (plus dmg bonus perks) Very easy to use Medium accuracy required The first step to balancing the sandbox is to properly set up the distances with the weapon types and then with the archetypes following. D1 did this much better, each weapon type had a range that you had to take into account, you couldn’t just ignore it and use a hand cannon from across the map. Ideally the sandbox for primaries should be like this: (Using the “basic” variant of each as base: 140 HC, 600 Auto, 180 Scout, 390 Pulse, 900 SMG, 300 Sidearm, Adaptive Bow) Ranges: (min at 0, max at 100 range stat) HC: short-medium (15-30m) Auto: short-medium (10-25m) Scout: medium-long (25-45m) Pulse: medium (15-35m) SMG: short (5-15m) Sidearm: short/medium (8-18m) Bow: medium-long (40)m TTKs: HC: competitive Auto: slightly less than HC competitive Scout: less than HC competitive Pulse: slightly less than HC competitive SMG: competitive Sidearm: slightly less than SMG competitive Bow: less than HC competitive Ease of Use: HC: low Auto: high Scout: medium Pulse: medium-high SMG: low Sidearm: medium Bow: low Accuracy required: HC: high Auto: low Scout: high Pulse: medium SMG: medium Sidearm: high Bow: very high Due to the archetype’s ideology these would change accordingly; however, we have got to get this stuff sorted out if PvP is ever going to become anything more than a joke.