[quote]It's been your assertion that Mara aided us from the beginning. She has not.[/quote] Yes, she has. Even taking intentions out of the question, because you like to muddy those an awful lot, she saved the Last City by starting the Reef Wars. Why? Because the House of Wolves were heading to the Last City and would’ve completely swung the tide in favour of the Fallen. Or teaching us how to access the Black Garden. Or her engagement in the Battle of Saturn, which result in the loss of Oryx’s escort ships and caused him to halt the advance of the Dreadnought instead of continuing deeper into Sol. Or the destruction of a Pyramid Vessel alongside Eris Morn. Or cutting a deal with Savathûn for the return of Osiris. Or the creation of Parasite, which she gave to Guardians. Or assisting in the conflict against Xivu Arath and the restoration of Rasputin. Or opening the Portal into the Traveler for us. Or bringing the Coalition Fleet through after us. These are all acts that resulted in aid, objectively. [quote]And it's not just Ikora... Zavala validates this in "Refusal".[/quote] Question, when does the entry Refusal take place? Follow up, has Zavala not cooperated with Mara Sov since then, including the pledging of Guardian forces to the Dreaming City less than a year later from said entry? [quote]Lavania validates it the book of "Dust".[/quote] She doesn’t, that’s your opinion based on a fan wiki quote. [quote]Uldren validates it in "The Forsaken Prince".[/quote] Yeah I think when Mara turned into a giant Taken meatball and ate him it was quite clear he wasn’t taking orders from Mara. [quote]Mara validates it.[/quote] She doesn’t. [quote]You're making excuses. Blood is on her hands... the Vanguard risked everything in the Dreaming City.[/quote] It is, they didn’t. Even your supposed Madonna has blood on her hands, how is this an argument you’re making? The Eliksni, Hive, Vex, Cabal, Taken, Scorn, Awoken, Exos, Humanity… we all have blood on our hands. [quote]We risked everything during The Great Hunt, manipulated under false pretense.[/quote] We didn’t and we weren’t. Mara wanted the Ahamkara exterminated because they were dangerous AND to ensure Riven was a unique commodity she controlled, considering the Wish Wall was the only method to subvert Ahamkara trickery. Even then Riven STILL managed to slip a few manipulations of her own in during the construction of the Dreaming City. I’d also remind you even Riven was surprised by what Taranis did. She didn’t believe an Ahamkara capable of such a thing because it was a one way trip. [quote]And again, Ikora says to us... about all we know... everything thing she admits to... in her biography of idol-ship. Hagiography. It's not objective, it's worse. She's... (Mara Sov) is twisting the truth.[/quote] So the negatives are true, the positives are lies and deception? Very convenient.

Are you freaking blind? Go read what the clown's saying to MC 077 Lasombra this time around. It's extra pathetic! A one-sided romance that will never be! HAHAHAH!

[quote]You've brought up acts of intimacy multiple times...[/quote] Yes, because you're pining after a guy who doesn't love you! It's pathetic! [quote]Recognizing merit and giving respect for that acumen... to even those that have opposed me. Like Vongola & MC.[/quote] HAHAHAHAHAH! I don't [i]need[/i] your credit! The only credit I need is the knowledge that I'm being consistent with my evidence and telling the truth! Something you constantly fail at! Your credit doesn't mean a thing to anyone! No one around here besides a self-aggrandizing schizo respects you! HAHAH! Get real! [quote]Thus... the weird stuff. Text walls for hrs...[/quote] Weird stuff? You mean evidence directly from the written lore that proves you incorrect? Evidence that you tried to sidestep, which landed you in a position so dire that you tried to play your failure off like it was part of your plan all along? HAHAHAHAH! [quote]I was barely responding back, and you never caught on... until it pinged in your brain.[/quote] HAHAHAHAH! Nope! That's the best part! You always reply back until you know you can't say anything to save yourself! And you STILL think you have a chance here! It's like an instant entertainment button! HAHAH! [quote]Why does he keep saying "Fenn"?[/quote] Because you were trying to be purposefully obtuse and vague to obfuscate the fact that your entire theory here made zero sense? That's the best guess I have! There's no other reason an idiot who thinks he's smart would have to intentionally act like an idiot! HAHAHAH! [quote]You were had, bubby... I explained the roots of it. [/quote] Goodness, what a sore loser! HAHAH! [quote]Still a puzzle... btw, in it. That leads to what I think might be Ikora's method for deciphering Truth to Power... which is going to be extremely relevant next Episode.[/quote] What in the hell are you talking about? The ARG around the Dossier says that Ikora's theory on Truth to Power is that Savvypoot is trying to escape the Destiny universe itself and into our reality. It's the [i]stupidest[/i] meta-narrative crap ever introduced into this s#!t story! HAHAH! That's already been covered! If Bungo's braindead writers still insist on having that lore book be relevant, even though it's nothing but unreliable narration to make up for the fact that they're making everything up as they go along, then they can go ahead and make me laugh even more! [quote]And btw, I'm not asking MC to concede or accept my theories at all,[/quote] And yet, that's all you ever asked of him before! You're constantly cope with the fact that you can't get one over on anyone by pretending to be smarter than most of us, and yet it seems that with MC, you just can't keep up the charade when it comes to him! him [quote]just hoping he does his own thing... the lore he knows.[/quote] He's been doing that the whole time, nimrod! Except that his theories always take into account the canonical evidence that's already there AND that this entire series is of poor quality! It's what makes him a swell guy! Unlike you! [quote]And you can't take that.[/quote] ??? Why would what he does impact me at all? [quote]Honor of any type... you don't understand it. Honor towards my foes when merit demands it.[/quote] Noooo, honor, I do understand. Honor that comes from YOU, however, I couldn't give less than a f*&k about! HAHAH! [quote]MC... Vongola warrant that respect. You do not.[/quote] Oh, neat! Good thing your respect, like I already explained, means absolutely nothing! HAHAHAHAHAH!! Honestly, keep this cope cycle going! It makes the fact that I beat you down all by myself even sweeter! HAH! And yeah, you'll always try denying it, even though I took the time to read everything and present evidence like a normal person, but it's even funnier if you keep dodging around that! HAHAHAHAHAH!

He's not going to f%*k you, Herm! Pull your pants up! HAHAHAHAHAH! Besides, why do you even want him to f@%k you? Seems like you're plenty butthurt already! HAH!

I already did earlier! You're completely incorrect! HAHAHAH!