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Edited by Gilgamesh: 7/30/2024 10:50:57 PM
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People online when they dont understand a paradox. While you can make your little theory its literally just called a Paradox Saint enters forest Saint gets light drained Saint dies This leads Osiris to create the corridors of time to travel through time using the Infinite Forest to try and save saint. We eventually interject and save him changing the events to Saint enters the forest Saint meets the guardian for the first time Saint is saved from getting light drained Saint leaves infinite forest The paradox then begins with the reasoning if Saint never died why would Osiris make the corridors if time to save him? The reason he still exists is because once that timeline no longer existed due to our interference it was tossed into a Vex equivalent of a “Data Dump” since the Vex transcend time and it seems Destiny has their own version and of time travel. Where events can be changed but once it happens people will see things as off (exception vault of glass oracles). The reason they can both exist at the same time is because of destiny’s version of time travel and the abilities of the vex/where the body was stored. Contrary to what people believed he was never a simulation (he was stuck in one) and hes not from a different timeline (the body technically would be thought) Also the forest isn’t separated from the rest of the universe the time altering effects are caused by time dilation which is a real thing. The Vex simply transcend time and have tech to store deleted simulations from alternate timelines. As well destiny just uses its own version of time travel like how the MCU and B2F use different versions of time travel
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  • It's the bootstrap paradox or at the very least associated with it more so than the op stating schrodingers paradox. We still have no origin point for the perfect paradox shotgun other than requiring us to obtain it for the first time from saints grave in the infinite forest. Saint has gun goes into forest Saint has gun killing vex for centuries & a mind is made to drain his light Saint is dead, has gun, we retrieve it & fix it at brother Vance. How did Saint already have the gun when he entered the infinite forest during curse of Osiris? The Saint we save isn't the original saint. Original saint is dead. If original saint is alive the perfect paradox shotgun can't exist.

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  • The saint we save is the original saint, the saint that was dead no longer exists they literally stated that in the finale

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  • Edited by LikwiD_SmOkE22: 7/31/2024 8:48:40 PM
    That's a paradox in and of itself. Real saint can't be alive if the perfect paradox still exists. The original saint is still dead literally right next to the saint we saved. Did we not watch the same cutscene? Osiris says to saint to be "him" (the saint we see in the grave & how much he loved saint in that timeline also.

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  • [quote]That's a paradox in and of itself. Real saint can't be alive if the perfect paradox still exists. The original saint is still dead literally right next to the saint we saved. Did we not watch the same cutscene? Osiris says to saint to be "him" (the saint we see in the grave & how much he loved saint in that timeline also.[/quote] Except thats not what the paradox is The dead saint we see isn’t the actual physical body its a simulation of it because Nessus is a archive of deleted timelines Real Saint is NOT dead he is alive now the paradox is why did we save saint? Because he was dead, and now that hes never been dead why did we save him. Thats a paradox. We literally are told this in the final mission of Act 2 so why act like this isn’t the case?

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  • Look, Vex Timetravel outside of the Vault gets very iffy. Vex can and can’t do it, so we end up with situations where we time traveled but not really. It’s my understanding that we used the Corridors of time to get back in time in the Forest but not back in time in reality, making it so that the events that happened changed, but the history and effect of those events never took place. We essentially sidestepped reality. There is also the argument that your current past can not be changed by going to the past because that past has become your future, thus meaning that past is no longer set in stone, unlike your true past.

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  • [quote]Look, Vex Timetravel outside of the Vault gets very iffy. Vex can and can’t do it, so we end up with situations where we time traveled but not really. It’s my understanding that we used the Corridors of time to get back in time in the Forest but not back in time in reality, making it so that the events that happened changed, but the history and effect of those events never took place. We essentially sidestepped reality. There is also the argument that your current past can not be changed by going to the past because that past has become your future, thus meaning that past is no longer set in stone, unlike your true past.[/quote] My understanding of the corridors of time is essentially accessing the logs of the infinite forest and using it to travel throughout time which is why Osiris says he saw saints death We are using Vex tech to time travel inside vex tech which explains why the Vex still have the body Vex still lose to reality its why they cant beat paracasual forces that truly side step reality if they could then they could beat us. Vex tech has to follow some rules. [quote]There is also the argument that your current past can not be changed by going to the past because that past has become your future, thus meaning that past is no longer set in stone, unlike your true past.[/quote] You are just quoting MCU so now idk if you are kidding cause Destiny can make their rules of time travel different

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  • For the last bit, I was joking. As for my first bit, we seem to be in agreement. We were not time traveling in reality, but just inside the simulations. Like turning back the clock inside your console, turned into physical space. Which I still have questions about. How are the vex capable of turning Simulation into Physical Space, and that Physical Space be traversable to real life things without that real life thing then being immune to the effects of the simulation?

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  • Are we not able to interact and such with the Infinite Forest and simulations because we are paracausal? I thought that was how they explained a lot of the timeline breaking stuff.

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  • Let’s not even get into timetravel. As stated above, it gets very very weird. I’m just thinking about how the simulation works as physical space, much like how VR works, where you can interact with the Virtual components, but the Virtual Components cannot interact with you. It’s just weird to me is all.

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  • I always thought it was like Tron… the Vex just run their own simulations of the ‘real’ world at different speeds to try and predict outcomes. The time travel is just going back and forth in that program or simulation. It’s just data being manipulated. The whole time travel schtick is just how they talk about manipulating the Infinite Forest programs.

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