Sure. Gloss over the INCREASE in drop rate for OVERTHROW chests.
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[quote]Sure. Gloss over the INCREASE in drop rate for OVERTHROW chests.[/quote] Not glossing over anything. My post is pointed at specific nerf to an already low chance rate.
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A nerf to a low chance that is made up for by a stacking buff to another source in the literal exact same zone. Pointing out the random chest nerf while ignoring the overthrow chest buff is disingenuous at best.
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[quote]A nerf to a low chance that is made up for by a stacking buff to another source in the literal exact same zone. Pointing out the random chest nerf while ignoring the overthrow chest buff is disingenuous at best.[/quote] In no way at all am I being disingenuous. It doesn't solve the problem of why they are even nerfing it, it only makes it harder for the destiny players that are not PC Macros users to get the class item in Normal Pale Heart Chest. I'm just pointing out a Nerf of something that doesn't fix the problem and still allows that problem to persist. It takes time to do a overthrow and it's a CHANCE at a drop. They don't even give us the percentage of the chance. There needs to be more places and ways of getting these class items like I said in my initial Post.
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You absolutely are being disingenuous. Anytime you're farming random chests, you're able to farm overthrow. The nerf to random chests and the buff to overthrow and high value target (A buff that will increase more with each encounter, high value target, or triage chest you open) The only change will be to farm them you do overthrow instead of bot walking from chest to chest. The amount of drops is fine. All that needs to change is a way to focus perks more easily.
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[quote]You absolutely are being disingenuous. Anytime you're farming random chests, you're able to farm overthrow. The nerf to random chests and the buff to overthrow and high value target (A buff that will increase more with each encounter, high value target, or triage chest you open) The only change will be to farm them you do overthrow instead of bot walking from chest to chest. The amount of drops is fine. All that needs to change is a way to focus perks more easily.[/quote] You obviously don't know what disingenuous means then. This doesn't fixed the "bot walking" as you said, it just makes it longer for them to do and at the same time longer for us people that do not "bot walk" You're not even trying to understand where I'm coming from and yet literally disregarding my points. There've been times where I've landed at the pale heart hit a couple of chests and got a class item, other times it's been at the beginning of the second round. Other times it goes past an overthrow. I think it's GOOD that they're adding it for a CHANCE in an overthrow Point is don't Nerf getting them from normal chests rather fix the problem.
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I do know what it means, it seems you don't or you don't get how ignoring half the changes to manual farming that don't fit the perspective you want to push is disingenuous. You are calling the changes for manually farming the pale heart for exotic class items a nerf. This system change is not a nerf, it is a side grade. That's why it's disingenuous. You are looking at one little facet of the economy becoming weaker and using that for the crux of your argument and completely ignoring the buff to other sections of the economy that nullify what you are talking about. You are making an argument that manual farming was nerfed when it wasn't. Patrolling the pale heart for engrams should be as or more effective than before manually farming chests/overthrow before. The change doesn't make it take longer for players to farm. It makes you actually play overthrow instead of spawning in, gathering chests, going to the next area, gathering chests, going to the last area, gathering chests and completely ignoring overthrows because that's just less effective than when I sparrow around gathering chests. This is a side grade and possibly even a buff to manual farmers and nerf only to macro farmers. You just need to actually do overthrows now. That's why you're disingenuous. You're pretending that manual farming was nerfed, and ignoring that part of it was nerfed, but the other part of it was buffed AND given bad luck protection. Manual farming was shifted from manually finding chests in each area on repeat to actually shooting enemies in your FPS.
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Edited by Schlokey: 7/31/2024 4:10:21 AM[quote]I do know what it means, it seems you don't or you don't get how ignoring half the changes to manual farming that don't fit the perspective you want to push is disingenuous. You are calling the changes for manually farming the pale heart for exotic class items a nerf. This system change is not a nerf, it is a side grade. That's why it's disingenuous. You are looking at one little facet of the economy becoming weaker and using that for the crux of your argument and completely ignoring the buff to other sections of the economy that nullify what you are talking about. You are making an argument that manual farming was nerfed when it wasn't. Patrolling the pale heart for engrams should be as or more effective than before manually farming chests/overthrow before. The change doesn't make it take longer for players to farm. It makes you actually play overthrow instead of spawning in, gathering chests, going to the next area, gathering chests, going to the last area, gathering chests and completely ignoring overthrows because that's just less effective than when I sparrow around gathering chests. This is a side grade and possibly even a buff to manual farmers and nerf only to macro farmers. You just need to actually do overthrows now. That's why you're disingenuous. You're pretending that manual farming was nerfed, and ignoring that part of it was nerfed, but the other part of it was buffed AND given bad luck protection. Manual farming was shifted from manually finding chests in each area on repeat to actually shooting enemies in your FPS.[/quote] I was NEVER slightly dishonest, or not speaking the complete truth! Just because YOUR focus is on the Overthrow chests CHANCE being increased, which is NOT the topic of my post, doesn't mean I am being disingenuous. Let me break it down for you one more time. -Nerfing NORMAL Pale Heart Chests is bad. -There needs to be MORE WAYS to earn Class Items in game -The upcoming nerf doesn't mean it will stop the those macro farmers. It will just slow down the process. THIS IS NOT A FIX! -My post was pointed to the 'Pale Heart Chest Nerf' not OVERALL WAYS to obtain Class Items. I brought up the part which I felt did not need to be changed. I find it comical that you call a NERF a SIDE GRADE. It's a NERF. The fact that you want to try and discredit my post just shows that you unable to see a valid point.
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I know exactly what you're saying. I don't need it broken down. YOU'RE ONLY TELLING HALF THE STORY THOUGH, THAT'S WHY YOUR POST IS DISINGENUOUS. Talking about exclusively the patrol chests without talking about overthrow chests is unreasonable. If you are in an area where you can farm those chests, you are in an area where you are participating in overthrow. Its illogical to talk about one without talking about the other considering you're in the same exact 3 areas with the manual farm. You absolutely didn't tell the complete truth. You complain that half the chests were nerfed but ignored that that's balanced out by the other half of chests you'll be farming at the same time being buffed. Yes, farming the pale heart for class items manually is a side grade. You keep calling it a nerf while flat out ignoring that half the chests will be buffed and have an increasing drop chance. Nerfing NORMAL pale heart chests with no other changes to farming would be bad, BUT in addition to that OVERTHROW CHESTS ARE BEING BUFFED. YOU CAN STILL LITERALLY FARM THEM IN THE EXACT SAME PATROL ZONE. THE GAMEPLAY LOOP FOR MANUAL FARMING IS UNCHANGED TO BENEFIT FROM THE BUFFED DROP RATE. The ways to get the class item are fine. The actual problem is that a 1/64 chance sucks. A way to bend RNG and make the drop you want a 1/8 or 1/9 chance with the same drop rate would be more beneficial than making them rain like candy. The fact that you pretend that your post deserves credit at all just shows that youll pretend your point is valid no matter how wrong it's proven. You discredited your own post the second you made it. I just pointed out the half truths. This talk is going in circles. I'm done here. Respond if you want. I'm not wasting my time reading it.
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Edited by Schlokey: 7/31/2024 11:09:58 AM[quote]I know exactly what you're saying. I don't need it broken down. YOU'RE ONLY TELLING HALF THE STORY THOUGH, THAT'S WHY YOUR POST IS DISINGENUOUS. Talking about exclusively the patrol chests without talking about overthrow chests is unreasonable. If you are in an area where you can farm those chests, you are in an area where you are participating in overthrow. Its illogical to talk about one without talking about the other considering you're in the same exact 3 areas with the manual farm. You absolutely didn't tell the complete truth. You complain that half the chests were nerfed but ignored that that's balanced out by the other half of chests you'll be farming at the same time being buffed. Yes, farming the pale heart for class items manually is a side grade. You keep calling it a nerf while flat out ignoring that half the chests will be buffed and have an increasing drop chance. Nerfing NORMAL pale heart chests with no other changes to farming would be bad, BUT in addition to that OVERTHROW CHESTS ARE BEING BUFFED. YOU CAN STILL LITERALLY FARM THEM IN THE EXACT SAME PATROL ZONE. THE GAMEPLAY LOOP FOR MANUAL FARMING IS UNCHANGED TO BENEFIT FROM THE BUFFED DROP RATE. The ways to get the class item are fine. The actual problem is that a 1/64 chance sucks. A way to bend RNG and make the drop you want a 1/8 or 1/9 chance with the same drop rate would be more beneficial than making them rain like candy. The fact that you pretend that your post deserves credit at all just shows that youll pretend your point is valid no matter how wrong it's proven. You discredited your own post the second you made it. I just pointed out the half truths. This talk is going in circles. I'm done here. Respond if you want. I'm not wasting my time reading it.[/quote] Because my post isn't about EVENT CHESTS just like it's not about DUO DESTINY getting buffed. IN SPITE OF the Overthrow chests, NORMAL Pale heart chests should not be nerfed. Let that sink in. I still want the normal ones as well.