Thats exactly wtf the issue is, and those who try and defend constant nerfs are the biggest indicators of a low tier, crybaby community. Its not that those who wants nerfs are "bad", they simply hate the fact they can be killed in pvp to someone else, while using they're cheesy setups.
Sweats and streamers hate the idea of playing against others with similar stats as them, because then they have to actually try....like everyone else who isnt a no lifer.
Meanwhile those who always whine about abilities, are almost always those who have a shotty, sniper, or hand cannon in their arsenal. Just look at the complaints for a damn smoke grenade or clones....these arent issues for anyone who doesnt run right up to opponents....
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My bad for actually using a skilful loadout instead of spamming pulses and autos
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Edited by 境井 仁 Rinzler: 7/30/2024 4:28:38 PMA shotgun isnt skillful. Hand cannons have been talked about as a issue since the beginning, and snipers were absolutely a serious problem at one point, hence why they reeled them back in. Im sorry you cant deal with the fact, other weapons and abilities exist in the game. You're exactly the type of player thats the issue in this game. You joined in 2022....and you're now here confirming you have an issue with clones and smoke grenades. Even though you have a shotgun equiped, and using a hand cannon. Thats why those 2 abilities exist, as a counter to exactly that type of play style.
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Edited by EarthlyJaguar0: 7/30/2024 7:44:35 PMLol bro thinks hcs are the issue when pulses exist and sorry if I don’t find holding hands with a pulse at 40 meters interesting and I actually want to push up and have some interesting fights
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Ok....so my point was hand cannons WERE an issue at an earlier point in time. I didnt say they're an issue as of now, so go ahead and fix that reading proficiency. Not to mention, you tried to call those AND shotguns skillful....shotgun aping isnt skillful. Meanwhile hand cannons at one point, were out shooting pulse rifles AND scouts. That was my point, and thats why they got nerfed. Now players like you are mad, because other weapon loadouts are just as viable....
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Edited by EarthlyJaguar0: 7/30/2024 8:33:49 PMI did misread your post Shotgun aping is bot activities anyway- the skill part is movement and using your primary so you can clean up with a shotgun. At least in a 140 meta people actually have to push instead of laning with pulses or 120s Pulses are way better than hcs and clear pretty much every other primary archetype and have been this way for a while
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Tbh my only issue is those who are deliberately running cheesy set ups, and then complaining when they get killed, by the very game mechanics designed to counter those type of play styles. I still like and respect hc's, but they're definitely lethal in the right hands. Meaning there is no option to out shoot them depending on who it is.
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HCs take more skill than ARs, pulses and scouts. Clones are an issue for agressive playstyles but it mostly comes down to players not being willing to adapt.
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Edited by EarthlyJaguar0: 7/30/2024 7:47:43 PMIdc abt the clone explosion but at least let me move my crosshairs normally and I should be able to slide away If I run into a clone detonation around the corner that radar ping could have easily been a shotgunner which means I got caught lacking either way and made a mistake. My main bone to pick is the slow. If someone pops a clone in a close range fight and I have the reflexes to slide away I should be able to do but guess what - I am slowed. Similar thing with smoke nade - let it ping radar and let it make the cloud thing and let it obscure view and let it do damage and let it weaken but don’t take away movement when you get hit by it.
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You can slide away. You just have to STOP AIMING DOWN SIGHTS when you see the clone used right in front of you. Hence my earlier comment, of those who complain about them. Most are using shottys, and hand cannons.
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Did you miss the part where you are slowed?
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Only if they're right in front of you, and tbh thats the only thing about the clones....I cant find a reasonable excuse for. Everything else about them has a workaround, so that IS understandable.