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Schrodingers cat doesn't play a part in this. The premise to that is we don't know the fate of the cat until we open the box & until such time both possibilities are true. Which is the paradox. I think the bootstrap paradox is more fitting.
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  • One Saint walked in, two exist in the Forest but only one walks out yet both are still originals. That is, as an [i]idea[/i], the same thing. It’s why I said [i]concept[/i], that means I’m not saying it’s a word by word example of Schrödinger. Bootstrap paradox doesn’t work because Saint has an origin. His entire life is known until he stepped into the Forest and died. We only changed the last days/months/years of his life (we don’t know how long he was without light) not his origin. By only invoking it conceptually, it doesn’t have to follow it word by word and every counter argument is based on it not being word by word. My idea is Schrödinger + time travel + more than one isolated domain. So the counter arguments are short by 2/3s. You counter argue arbitrarily like that. Just like no one seems to think Exo minds can be tampered by the Vex when there’s a long lore entry that explicitly shows that it has happened already to humans, machines and Exos. https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/clovis-brays-logbook-missing-pages

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  • [quote]One Saint walked in, two exist in the Forest but only one walks out yet both are still originals. That is, as an [i]idea[/i], the same thing. It’s why I said [i]concept[/i], that means I’m not saying it’s a word by word example of Schrödinger. Bootstrap paradox doesn’t work because Saint has an origin. His entire life is known until he stepped into the Forest and died. We only changed the last days/months/years of his life (we don’t know how long he was without light) not his origin. By only invoking it conceptually, it doesn’t have to follow it word by word and every counter argument is based on it not being word by word. My idea is Schrödinger + time travel + more than one isolated domain. So the counter arguments are short by 2/3s. You counter argue arbitrarily like that. Just like no one seems to think Exo minds can be tampered by the Vex when there’s a long lore entry that explicitly shows that it has happened already to humans, machines and Exos. https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/clovis-brays-logbook-missing-pages[/quote] Dawg you used a bad example and wrote a whole essay about a bad idea just move on

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  • A. Saint 14 has the perfect paradox already & enters the forest searching for Osiris B. Saint fights vex for centuries and finally dies C. We discover saints grave in the forest & recover the perfect paradox When did we craft it? After we find it & go to brother Vance. But than how does Saint already have the weapon? Because point C causes Point A. It's a bootstrap paradox. Using the sundial & the coordinates encoded in the perfect paradox pinpoint a time right before saints death when the vex created the mind to drain his light. The original saint is still dead. We have the version of him before he died. To your comment on the vex controlling exos I don't know why anyone would find it out of the realm of possibility that the vex could infiltrate & corrupt them or take control. It makes sense that this would happen eventually.

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  • We gave it to him when he was younger during season of the Dawn when we traveled back centuries in time. https://youtu.be/151TPsJxYgc?si=vonfkw1vMbli3Jqh We crafted a bunch of weapons from the infinite forge, the perfect paradox being one of them. https://youtu.be/-qPlFT13XLw?si=OOmeVWW7VtSkUNb7 We reforged the broken weapon using the blueprints in the Osiris prophecies, same way we found his body. The [i]weapon[/i] has a paradoxical origin. The Exo does not. The weapon and the Exo aren’t the same entity so bootstrap paradox doesn’t work. Well plenty of people disagree, so it’s contested even though it’s established https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/clovis-brays-logbook-missing-pages

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  • If the bootstrap paradox doesn't apply than there's 0 shot schrodingers cat will apply. There's one cat one box one hammer one flask of poison. We never had the gun until we found it at his grave in the infinite forest. It was supposedly in our possession but there is no origin point for that. The perfect paradox is in a bootstrap paradox. There is no origin point in the present day where we have the gun until we find his grave & grab the gun to fix.

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  • I said [i]concept[/i], which means it doesn’t follow it by the letter just the [i]idea[/i]. I don’t know if you don’t know what concept means or if you just ignored it to find some fault cause you can’t argue the points in my idea. Bootstrap paradox is based on the origin of something being paradoxical, so conceptually or literally it doesn’t apply to Saint-14. Well we aren’t talking about the gun, its paradoxical origin is explicit. And doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t apply to the Exo either. Guns and people aren’t the same things.

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  • Edited by LikwiD_SmOkE22: 7/30/2024 5:04:16 PM
    It's a bootstrap paradox. Saint 14 tells us the guardian gave him the perfect paradox. We can't give him the perfect paradox if the original saint didn't die inside the infinite forest because that's how the guardian comes across the weapon. The perfect paradox shotgun proves its a bootstrap paradox because without it we can't find saints signal inside the forest at earlier point in that battle without it. Schrodingers cat theory does not apply here. Schrodingers cat has one of two outcomes that exist at the same time because we are unable to view the cat inside the box. Until we do both outcomes are true, which is the paradox, because both cannot be true. This cannot apply to Saint inside the infinite forest.

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