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Edited by Zodleon: 7/27/2024 2:30:38 AM
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[quote]Trials rewards are generally superior to most in-game loot.[/quote] Honestly just no on this, I've got all the trials guns, adept and not, and while some of them are very good for pvp, I just as often if not more often use non trials guns. For example, last weekend I used calus mini tool and fang of ir yut, and prior to thar mini + multi. And definitely not the best loot in a pve context. [quote]This leads to frustration, because in addition to getting stomped almost every game due to matchmaking being seemingly random, you are also gate kept from getting better gear. To add insult to injury, some people t-bag just to mess with your mental when they see that you can hold your own or feel like you are enough of a threat to their win streak. It's reasonable to correlate frustration with toxic behavior.[/quote] To put it nicely, this sounds like you venting because they got to you. Pvp in general is a competitive environment and some ego and mind games is to be expected, as long as they stay at emotes and bagging and don't start messaging you, there's really not a problem here. [quote]It may not be possible to remove all toxicity in the game because there are some people that will break the rules just for the sake of it.[/quote] Bungie has acknowledged there's a level of "smack talk/egoing" that happens. Things like bagging or emoting aren't against the rules. [quote]Still, I'm tired people being -blam!- to each other over some artificial scarcity in a video game, and at the end of the day it's the developer's responsibility too to create an environment that encourages good sportsmanship and mutual improvement.[/quote] I can't agree with this, I think it's bungies' responsibility to remove ppl who take it too far, but it's our responsibility as a community to foster a good environment.
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  • Man I wish the abuse was just tea bagging or emotes. I've had to disable all direct messaging on PlayStation due to the amount of abuse I've been sent over the last two days of playing Trials. Trials Of Osiris has the worst most toxic online comunity I've ever encountered.

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  • Edited by Zodleon: 7/30/2024 2:10:12 AM
    Yeah, i know how it is, I've had my psn messages and whispers turned off for most of the last two years, I don't mind a bit of smack talk, but it gets excessive. I do enjoy getting "friend" requests from them, knowing they're not gonna get to vent and just stew. The wild thing is when I get gambit hatemail lol. Those are the ppl bungie should moderate. Like I said, bagging and emotes, imo are whatever.

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  • [quote]For example, last weekend I used calus mini tool and fang of ir yut, and prior to thar mini + multi.[/quote] Fang of Ir Yut is a raid weapon, that's why it works well. It has better aim assist, reticle bounce and stats than Randy's Throwing Knife, which comes from the Crucible. [quote]I've got all the trials guns, adept and not, and while some of them are very good for pvp, I just as often if not more often use non trials guns.[/quote] I don't have all the trials guns, especially adept. I want to, but the current system doesn't allow me to get the rolls I want for those weapons. I get that you like use other weapons too, but at the top level, most people still use Igneous Hammer, Shayura's Wrath, The Summoner, or other endgame activity rewards. [quote]Pvp in general is a competitive environment and some ego and mind games is to be expected, as long as they stay at emotes and bagging and don't start messaging you, there's really not a problem here. [/quote] That doesn't excuse bad behavior. Just because someone is worse doesn't mean it's ok to be toxic. This behavior leads to warnings, suspensions, yellow cards, etc. in all high-stakes sports matches. It's okay to celebrate wins with your team, but it's not okay to put the competition down.

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  • Edited by Zodleon: 7/27/2024 10:23:47 AM
    [quote]Fang of Ir Yut is a raid weapon, that's why it works well. It has better aim assist, reticle bounce and stats than Randy's Throwing Knife, which comes from the Crucible.[/quote] No not really it does well because of precision instrument, my favorite 260 is contingency plan which is a world drop. You also say that while not responding to mida mini tool. If you need to be an endgame gun why does it do do well. [quote]I don't have all the trials guns, especially adept. I want to, but the current system doesn't allow me to get the rolls I want for those weapons. I get that you like use other weapons too, but at the top level, most people still use Igneous Hammer, Shayura's Wrath, The Summoner, or other endgame activity rewards.[/quote] Provide the numbers beyond Anectodal evidence. Because I didn't see much Summoner or shayuras in trials or on my way to ascendant. You're overvalueing the guns, especially adept, everyone always does. [quote]That doesn't excuse bad behavior. Just because someone is worse doesn't mean it's ok to be toxic. This behavior leads to warnings, suspensions, yellow cards, etc. in all high-stakes sports matches. It's okay to celebrate wins with your team, but it's not okay to put the competition down.[/quote] This is not a high stakes sports match, you provide the easy argument to your own statement.

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  • [quote]No not really it does well because of precision instrument, my favorite 260 is contingency plan which is a world drop.[/quote] RTK can't get PI, neither can Contingency Plan. Fang of Ir Yut is also better than Contingency Plan overall. [quote]Provide the numbers beyond Anectodal evidence.[/quote] I attached the Imgur link to this post with a screenshot of Destiny Tracker's weapon usage statistics. You can see the page for yourself if you think the screenshot is edited. [quote]This is not a high stakes sports match[/quote] It has a lot in common with high stakes sports matches. There are scrims, tourneys, and invitationals with cash prize pools organized around D2's PvP. Trials of Osiris is a PvP game mode, and as you have stated earlier, PvP in general is a competitive environment. It is the highest tier PvP activity in Destiny 2, so the best PvP players are most invested in winning Trials matches.

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  • Edited by Zodleon: 7/27/2024 11:13:50 AM
    As for the numbers, I know they are popular, you stated top players, and those are total number, any schmuck with a weekend to burn can get an adept on persistence. I'm gonna dip on this one honestly because when I see the "I need trials guns and adepts" it's hard to get the point across that there are so many valid guns and if you aren't good enough to win them then you aren't good enough for them to be the difference yet. And the other half is just being oversensitive, plain, and simple t bagging isn't the end of the world, and while it's rude who the **** cares, as long as that's the extent. It hard to make things clear when the .48 talks to the 1.9 like they know what it's like to do all of it effectively. No shade on your skill level, but I actually play at the level you're refencing, and there not essential or even my top picks most of the time. And ignoring half of each response to focus only on what you want is cherry pickings.

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  • 1. Just because someone can win with a worse weapon doesn't mean the weapon isn't worse. 2. KD's don't affect the validity of anyone's opinion. 3. If you wanna humble brag and compare, then open my tracker again and take a look at the top 0.3% in Iron Banner that I got this episode solo queueing. You're duo queueing all your Trials matches, and the moment you get a bad random you fall apart completely, meanwhile I start in 4v6s in IB because of SBMM and still manage to come out on top. 4. You can't straw man argue your way through this discussion, so you're dipping.

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