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7/26/2024 12:56:34 AM
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Imo, Titan just needs more synergy with its keywords. Controlled Demolition needs to enhance your volatile, considering Gyrafalcon’s out-volatile’s Titan. Offensive Bulwark needs to enhance Overshields. Juggernaut needs to enhance Amplified, like DR while Amplified. Otherwise Amplified is useless. Roaring Flames should improve Scorch, instead of improving ability damage. Right now RF just pigeonholes Titan into braindead melee spam, and it needs to end. Tectonic Harvest needs to do more for Stasis Shards. Stasis Shards are just so cheeks, and Frost Armor is even worse. Drengry’s Lash needs to give Woven Mail on suspension at base. Abeyant just feels to mandatory. These are just some changes that would improve Titan in the state it’s at now, but if you ask me, I just think the class needs a complete rebuild. It’s too melee oriented, and Bungie would essentially need to change almost every melee, aspect, and exotic to get it out of this rut.
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  • Gyrfalcons honestly needs a rework. It’s basically titans whole void subclass condensed down into a hunter exotic.

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  • Edited by stinkych33Ze: 7/26/2024 4:59:10 AM
    Honestly… as if Destabilizing Rounds and Repulser Brace didn’t already devalue it enough, Hunter was given Void Titan’s entire kit. Season of the Seraph really was the death of Void Titan, because the launch of the very next season HoiL was nerfed too.

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  • Void titan having more overshields would increase ability uptime through offensive bulwark. And devour is also a thing, though nerfed on other than warlocks. I personally like my idea of juggernaut but I agree that amplified could provide some dr when active. Maybe juggernaut shield would also provide melee/grenade energy when broken? Roaring flames being straight up damage increase is strong and unique, it doesn't need to do more imo. There's exotics to help do more than bonk titan like firewalker and ashen wake. Tectonic harvest also heals you now but I agree that the frost armor as it is now, is weak thats why I proposed the changes I did. To be honest, I did completely forget that Drengrs' lash is only one lash by default. So yeah, maybe a buff there is in order. How about this: give abeyant leaps three tracking lashes by default and abeyant leap now gives woven mail and class ability energy when suspending (10-15% per target).

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  • If you need a solar kill to get barricade energy back for khepris horn, you should need strand kills to get energy back on abeyant leaps.

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  • [quote]Void titan having more overshields would increase ability uptime through offensive bulwark.[/quote] That isn’t enough in and of itself. Stuff like Sunbracers exist, so Titan will get destroyed if we try to go for just plain ability spam. Ideally we need to have something that sets us aside from other builds. A unique Volatile keyword would create an identity for us, just like Devour on Warlock creates an identity for itself. [quote]I personally like my idea of juggernaut but I agree that amplified could provide some dr when active. Maybe juggernaut shield would also provide melee/grenade energy when broken?[/quote] People have said since Arc 3.0 launch that Arc Titan needs to get DR while amplified. I didn’t come up with that idea. The fact of the matter is that movement is borderline useless in PvE, rendering Amplified obsolete. We need to do something with it. Hunter gets Dodge DR, increased Dodge cooldown speed, and a bunch of other stuff while Amplified. As the Amplify powerhouse, Titan should get DR while Amplified, considering Striker’s kit has very low survivability. [quote]Roaring flames being straight up damage increase is strong and unique, it doesn't need to do more imo. There's exotics to help do more than bonk titan like firewalker and ashen wake.[/quote] I didn’t say to add to it. They need to remove the damage effect. We have Banner of War at home. Plain ability damage is pointless when stuff like Combination Blow can out shadow it. Enhanced Scorch/Ignitions however, now that could be unique. Pair that with something like Dragon’s Breath and Pyrogale’s? Now we’re cooking (pun intended). Roaring Flames just doesn’t tap into keywords at all, and that pigeonholes Titan into using heal related abilities, like Throwing Hammer spam and Healing Grenades. Except that’s dumb because Warlock out heals them. Do you see the pattern? Titan is too busy trying to compete in these categories that they’re going to get beaten in. They should instead be the Scorch powerhouse, which no other class does. [quote]To be honest, I did completely forget that Drengrs' lash is only one lash by default. So yeah, maybe a buff there is in order. How about this: give abeyant leaps three tracking lashes by default and abeyant leap now gives woven mail and class ability energy when suspending (10-15% per target).[/quote] I disagree, only because Strand Titan lacks in the keyword department. BoW doesn’t tap into any keywords, and that aspect is too vital to turn down. So I think Drendry’s Lash should instead inherently grant Woven Mail when suspending from any source. And as for Abeyant, I like the class ability regen idea, I think that could be good. Maybe it could also pierce Barrier Champion shields.

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  • To me, void overshield and being tanky through them is the most titan identity. Unfortunately we don't have ways to refress them fast enough. Thats why I proposed a buff to offensive bulwark. Alternatively here was an interesting idea to give overshields with controlled demolition volatile procs which could work even better and is a more unique way to give titans better volatile and more overshields. Hasn't everyone wanted for the amplified buff dr to be universal? I don't disagree on that the dr should be there but I wonder if only giving it to titans is the way. If juggernaut gives melee energy some way, it could help the survivability on arc since knockout is the ideal pair with it already. I wouldn't remove the damage from roaring flames. At the moment, I believe, roaring flames does indeed buff ignition and scorch damage but only with abilities. So yes, maybe if it was universal damage increase to ignition damage it would be a nice buff. Warlocks have the Dawn chorus to buff scorch so I wouldn't buff scorch on titans. Sunspot are there for healing and cure from grenades (which everyone gets to be fair). If we're talking about loreley, I do think it should regain the restoration x2 since it has been nerfed in pvp plenty and warlocks have easy acces to it at the moment. Maybe if you want to really stretch things standing in sunspot would reduce incoming damage but that would be too far in my opinion. Banner of War is an interesting aspect I admit. It feels almost mandatory but honestly it isnt if you're building for suspension. There Drengrs' lash and Into the fray or flechette storm are better imo. I disagree a bit on strand titan lacking keywords. Into the fray gives easy acces to woven mail, base melee charge severs, flechette storm unravels and drengrs' lash suspends. Only BoW and threadling grenades lack a keyword and that is fine imo. Drengrs' suspension already stops unstoppables so giving it another anti champion capability would be too much but I did propose to make flechette storm anti barrier since unravel is anti barrier and the melee spreads it already.

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  • [quote]To me, void overshield and being tanky through them is the most titan identity.[/quote] In any high level content, Overshields get shredded, and they aren’t as good as direct heals like Cure, as they’re on a timer. Which is why Overshields need to do more than just let Titan melee ape. In close quarters, that Overshield is gone before you can even take advantage of the subpar melee damage buff. [quote]Hasn't everyone wanted for the amplified buff dr to be universal? I don't disagree on that the dr should be there but I wonder if only giving it to titans is the way.[/quote] No. Everyone has said it should be exclusive on Titan, namely part of the Juggernaut aspect. Hunter has enough considering Arc Hunter already beats Arc Titan in the melee spam department with Combination Blow dealing more damage than any Titan melee ability. [quote]If juggernaut gives melee energy some way, it could help the survivability on arc since knockout is the ideal pair with it already.[/quote] I don’t think melee energy would be a good idea. Arc Titan is meant to ad clear with Knockout and Jolt. None of Titan’s melees Jolt, so I think instead it would be better if when it breaks it unleashes a Blinding or Jolting explosion and makes you Amplified. [quote]I wouldn't remove the damage from roaring flames. At the moment, I believe, roaring flames does indeed buff ignition and scorch damage but only with abilities.[/quote] It doesn’t buff Scorch or Ignitions, but the reason I say this is because right now, Solar Titan is in this back and forth rut of Bungie either making Throwing Hammer good or trash. If they changed Roaring Flames to increase Scorch and Ignition damage, they could just buff Throwing Hammer and make it so it inherently has a stacking damage bonus from kills. [quote]Maybe if you want to really stretch things standing in sunspot would reduce incoming damage but that would be too far in my opinion.[/quote] Sunspots just need a big buff. If you don’t immediately stand in them, they dissipate, but at the same time, you have to be in the fray to utilize them. On top of that, their healing isn’t enough to sustain extended engagement in close quarters like BoW does. [quote]I disagree a bit on strand titan lacking keywords. Into the fray gives easy acces to woven mail, base melee charge severs, flechette storm unravels and drengrs' lash suspends. Only BoW and threadling grenades lack a keyword and that is fine imo.[/quote] They are lacking keywords though. The only one it consistently procs is Sever and Woven Mail, aside from Grapple melee’s Unraveling effect. Hunter can proc literally every keyword. Their melee severs, their grenade can suspend, they get Woven Mail from Thread of Warding, they get Unravel from the tornado, and they get Threadlings from the clone. And that’s not just me naming off a bad build that simply taps into the keywords, that’s the build that almost everyone uses with Mothkeeper’s. [quote]Drengrs' suspension already stops unstoppables so giving it another anti champion capability would be too much but I did propose to make flechette storm anti barrier since unravel is anti barrier and the melee spreads it already.[/quote] Wrong, the Warlock chestpiece lets their melee suspend and pierce Barrier champs, all without needing an aspect.

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