Those were your favorites. Not the best. Not in a world with breachlight, paradox, and martyrs retribution in the same season.
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[quote]Those were your favorites. Not the best. Not in a world with breachlight, paradox, and martyrs retribution in the same season.[/quote] Think before you speak What OP listed were fan favorites because they were the best. The ones we got are only good because the new rolls are actually good. So idk how you can make the argument you made in good conscious faith. Only reason being you didn’t know they changed the rolls
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Edited by ACROCANTHUS: 7/17/2024 3:30:07 PMOh I thought about it alright. Martyr, breachlight, and paradox were amazing when they were released. All of them were fan favorites as well and quite frankly better. There's a reason I kept my sunset breachlight, patron and martyrs over my steelfeather. Line in the sand and patron were also pretty well liked.
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Edited by Gilgamesh: 7/17/2024 3:30:26 PM[quote]Oh I thought about it alright. Martyr, breachlight, and paradox were amazing when they were released. All of them were fan favorites as well and quite frankly better. There's a reason I kept my sunset breachlight and martyrs over my steel feather.[/quote] All 3 were trash that season compared to the others you can literally use light.gg to see the rolls. Just because you never got a good enough steelfeather to keep doesn’t mean -blam!-
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Edited by ACROCANTHUS: 7/17/2024 3:34:39 PMYou literally have no clue what you're talking about. Martyrs and breachlight were literally the most popular and strongest weapons that season. I'm done here. You're coming in here trying to start crap and I don't really feel like dealing with it. Later Gi[b][i][u]L[/u][/i][/b]gamesh. Good luck on your quest for wisdom.
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Edited by Gilgamesh: 7/17/2024 4:01:33 PM[quote]You literally have no clue what you're talking about. Martyrs and breachlight were literally the most popular and strongest weapons that season. I'm done here. You're coming in here trying to start crap and I don't really feel like dealing with it. Later Gi[b][i][u]L[/u][/i][/b]gamesh. Good luck on your quest for wisdom.[/quote] https://www.light.gg/db/items/1289997971/breachlight/ Ok rolls but definitely not competing with any other weapons at the time https://www.light.gg/db/items/1251729046/steelfeather-repeater/ Literally could roll with subsistence and multi-killclip or subsistence with multi-killclip for the capability to fire for a long time with a damage perk which at the time was amazing for Sundiao https://www.light.gg/db/items/3850168899/martyrs-retribution/ No perks to actually work with the gun other then demo but even then it competed with lead for gold and its first column just sucked except for auto-loading but even then the second column had the better lead for gold https://www.light.gg/db/items/4166221755/trophy-hunter/ Could roll with Triple Tap and Vorpal weapon amazing perks for PvP as well as being a aggressive frame sniper So instead of insulting people and saying “i know” do a ounce of research. Which you never do Edit: heres a bonus https://www.light.gg/db/items/3393519051/perfect-paradox/ Couldn’t compete with Ikelos lmao Edit: Meant ambitious assasin not rampage
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Fine, you get one more comment, then my break ends and I'm ignoring you because no matter what I say, I know you won't admit you came in here and insulted me with your first sentence on a response you're not even right about. This is back when outlaw was preferred to Subsistence due to it greatly cutting your non infinite reserves and reloading less ammo. So outlaw/multikill or demo multikill breachlight was significantly better than just "okay" and significantly better than an auto rifle with similar perks because the meta favored 2 burst sidearms in dawn. Martyr is a wave frame, demo is an insane choice because it was back when demo gave a lot more ammo so it was worth significantly more than you're giving it credit for on a weapon that will get a lot of kills. Trophy hunter was a sniper when snipers were a lot worse than they are now, So even though it was a good example of a sniper, it didn't have nearly the following of some of the weapons that came back. You are judging old weapons rolls from SEASON 9 by today's standards and today's meta that was VERY different from the one back then.
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Edited by Gilgamesh: 7/17/2024 4:15:55 PMIm literally judging them by season 9 standards which means they were competing with Pinnacles and BA weapons. Not only that they were competing with the weapons from Last Wish which were extremely good at the time as well. Sidearms were not in a good spot then. Also its funny you say im judging with today’s standards when Wave frames were borderline useless with other blinding GLs used at the time doing a better job. You are the one applying today’s standards to then and as well you are only using Season 9 weapons when it was the season after when Subsetting began (Funny how you say snipers weren’t in a good spot when that was the era when Izi hotswap took over and tatara was useful)
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Look pal, you're wrong and I could educate you on why, but you're here for a fight. That's why the first thing you said to me was an insult. I could tell you that one exotic sniper being good doesn't mean all legendary snipers were. I could tell you that 2 burst sidearms were top dog even if other archetypes were bad and [url=https://youtu.be/TrYRPglvMHY?si=IhWHHhbVaiJn_Ua4]link a video singing breachlights praise.[/url] I could tell you again that Subsistence sucked in season 9 and outlaw and rampage were much stronger back then so yes, in season 9 outlaw/multikill WAS a top tier roll. But it wouldn't help. You're here to fight, no matter how thoroughly I debunk whatever you say, you're just going to make something else up. Goodbye. Adios. See you later. Look for your fight with one of the other people in here telling you breachlight and martyrs were the favorite weapons of the season.
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Edited by Gilgamesh: 7/17/2024 4:55:32 PM[quote]Look pal, you're wrong and I could educate you on why, but you're here for a fight. That's why the first thing you said to me was an insult. I could tell you that one exotic sniper being good doesn't mean all legendary snipers were. I could tell you that 2 burst sidearms were top dog even if other archetypes were bad and [url=https://youtu.be/TrYRPglvMHY?si=IhWHHhbVaiJn_Ua4]link a video singing breachlights praise.[/url] I could tell you again that Subsistence sucked in season 9 and outlaw and rampage were much stronger back then so yes, in season 9 outlaw/multikill WAS a top tier roll. But it wouldn't help. You're here to fight, no matter how thoroughly I debunk whatever you say, you're just going to make something else up. Goodbye. Adios. See you later. Look for your fight with one of the other people in here telling you breachlight and martyrs were the favorite weapons of the season.[/quote] Video literally ends with him saying the only reason he’s saying this is because hes unsure how sidearms vs smgs are competing in the current sandbox between M&K and Controller You literally just cherry picked a video and guess what other people made videos on other differing opinions just cause Ehorar made a video doesn’t mean its fact hes made TONS of mistakes in the past with testing and he literally said in the video that its up to the opinion of the user https://youtu.be/zdhugEZT1C4?si=VZ4s9nz1fduwsgqR Thats right steelfeather repeater lmao Idrc care what a few people in your thread say when elsewhere people agree with my point 🤡 You literally are just guessing when unlike you im actually looking back at older weapons it had to compete with and yet you ignore that fact and i wonder why
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Edited by ACROCANTHUS: 7/17/2024 6:54:49 PMLook man, I'm gonna let the other two fans arguing with you keep dunking on you. I've got better things to do than argue with someone who won't accept being wrong no matter how obvious it is to everyone else. Btw when we're arguing about what weapons were FAN FAVORITES the said fans agreeing with me and not you is absolutely something you should care about. Just gonna paste this paragraph below as a reply from now on. [quote]Goodbye. Adios. See you later. Look for your fight with one of the other people in here telling you breachlight and martyrs were the favorite weapons of the season.[/quote]
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The one other guy arguing is literally talking about range
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[quote]Goodbye. Adios. See you later. Look for your fight with one of the other people in here telling you breachlight and martyrs were the favorite weapons of the season.[/quote][/quote]
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Steelfeather could never roll Rampage... It was very average in performance, especially because the range was pretty lacking, and if you built into range, you didnt have enough stability to make it worthwhile. Lets stop pretending that it was a meta weapon. Chroma Rush was better, but still a bit short on range. Breachlight on the other hand, was one of the best primaries around this time. Being one of the first to have demo with damage perks, and hitting like a truck in PvE inside of 20m at the time (16m now). Its still a solid PvE sidearm, and deserved to come back.
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Edited by Gilgamesh: 7/17/2024 4:00:31 PM[quote]Steelfeather could never roll Rampage... It was very average in performance, especially because the range was pretty lacking, and if you built into range, you didnt have enough stability to make it worthwhile. Lets stop pretending that it was a meta weapon. Chroma Rush was better, but still a bit short on range. Breachlight on the other hand, was one of the best primaries around this time. Being one of the first to have demo with damage perks, and hitting like a truck in PvE inside of 20m at the time (16m now). Its still a solid PvE sidearm, and deserved to come back.[/quote] Thats my bad as i meant to put ambitious assassin but forgot the icon name for a second The gun doesn’t need range unless you were using it in PvP which doesn’t matter because there were better alternatives at the time. As well breachlight was not the first primary to roll a damage/demo perk. These weapons were competing with BA weapons which were the best at the time for PvE dunno if yall forget these weapons were before sunsetting
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Edited by EMUracing: 7/17/2024 4:49:29 PMI used Breachlight a lot back then, mkc, rampage or vorpal combined with demo (two different rolls which I still have). Rapid AR at the time we're outclassed by SMG in pve, and outside of using it for champ mods, I never really had the weapon equipped. Nor have I saved any rolls. There are other 720 AR which I did save past sunsetting though (misfit being one). Steel feather competed more in SMG range than AR range, and SMG at the time had a lot more going for them both in damage and mobility. The only real benefit of 720 AR was mag size in comparison. Martyr being the first wave GL, and the fact that it could roll auto loading holster made it very strong for add clear. I would have liked for the whole set to return, but the more important ones did in my opinion.
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[quote]I used Breachlight a lot back then, mkc, rampage or vorpal combined with demo (two different rolls which I still have). Rapid AR at the time we're outclassed by SMG in pve, and outside of using it for champ mods, I never really had the weapon equipped. Nor have I saved any rolls. There are other 720 AR which I did save past sunsetting though (misfit being one). Steel feather competed more in SMG range than AR range, and SMG at the time had a lot more going for them both in damage and mobility. The only real benefit of 720 AR was mag size in comparison. Martyr being the first wave GL, and the fact that it could roll auto loading holster made it very strong for add clear. I would have liked for the whole set to return, but the more important ones did in my opinion.[/quote] Idk why people are talking about range as if we are discussing PvP [quote]Martyr being the first wave GL, and the fact that it could roll auto loading holster made it very strong for add clear[/quote] Wave frames weren’t that good on launch they were outclassed by weapons like recluse in the same slot (there was only 1 wave frame at the time) Breachlight competed with SMGs the guy im arguing with literally posted a video from 4 years ago where the guy in the video literally talks about that
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Range does matter even in PvE. When the weapon no longer registers hits or crits after 30m, then it has no range, and you are better off using a more powerful weapon for that range, which SMG's were. Outside of the mag size, SMG's outclassed 720AR accross the board, and there was less than 5m difference in effective range. I play on controller, not M/K, so range is still important for AA, as is stability to keep the recoil in check. Misfit was one of the best 720AR's, since it had scopes instead of barrels, you could almost double the effective range of the weapon using a 21-22 zoom scope. That added range does matter, but again, for most engagements the 720AR was almost never the best primary for the job. You either wanted long range (scout, pulse, bow), or close range (SMG/sidearm). Weapon balance now is a bit different, especially because SMG are kind of in a bad state for damage after multiple nerfs and are the lowest DPS primary weapons.
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[quote]Range does matter even in PvE. When the weapon no longer registers hits or crits after 30m, then it has no range, and you are better off using a more powerful weapon for that range, which SMG's were. Outside of the mag size, SMG's outclassed 720AR accross the board, and there was less than 5m difference in effective range. I play on controller, not M/K, so range is still important for AA, as is stability to keep the recoil in check. Misfit was one of the best 720AR's, since it had scopes instead of barrels, you could almost double the effective range of the weapon using a 21-22 zoom scope. That added range does matter, but again, for most engagements the 720AR was almost never the best primary for the job. You either wanted long range (scout, pulse, bow), or close range (SMG/sidearm). Weapon balance now is a bit different, especially because SMG are kind of in a bad state for damage after multiple nerfs and are the lowest DPS primary weapons.[/quote] Except at the time it didn’t matter because there wasn’t any need to keep distance like that in PvE. Also you have to specify it was recluse that was outclassing Autorifles and Sidearms. As much as you wanna ignore it Sidearms were inferior to Recluse especially the Breachlight. This is a simple case of people having watched a video on a gun and ignoring the others. Had you actually used SteelFeather you would have seen how it mowed down groups of ads and almost never wasn’t firing because of its frane/perks You are focusing on the range stat that at the time didn’t matter
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I tried steel feather enough, wanted to make it work, bit it didn't fit it's intended role. Back then, it was decent, but overshadowed even by non recluse SMG's in the same slot. I ran pillager a lot in gambit at the time which worked better than even huckleberry, with a rampage roll and it was always more effective than trying to run steelfeather. I'm not just getting to trash talk the weapon, I just don't think that it was a good as you remember it being.
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They weren’t the best. Martyrs and breachlight were generally regarded as the best. I’d swap steelfeather in for patron personally but you can’t really argue the others.
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Nothing wrong with releasing the whole set, everyone can get what they want that way
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Edited by TheLastNerf: 7/17/2024 6:20:58 PMnobody was using Patron over Night Watch though, and there's no reason we couldn't have gotten 5 weapons since Paradox would obviously show up either way. Hell, they could have done all 7 with 3-5 releasing in the first act, and 1-2 more in each consecutive act. This model sucks really bad. Players want ALL the weapons from each set to return, and originally they were always going to return as craftable. But I think most people won't mind double perks and enhancement instead of crafting, if the weapons have a guaranteed source and aren't complete garbage like the "reprised" Reckoning weapons
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Release the whole sets. Nothing to lose, only that much more to gain by giving ppl more reasons to stick around
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Your comment does nothing to counter the sound logic of releasing the whole set.
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It wasn't trying to.