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9/30/2023 11:48:59 PM
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Compared to GM Nightfalls, Trials is not very rewarding.
The average GM takes 25 minutes and you're guaranteed an Exotic armor piece/ascendant shard + another ascendant shard, an ugly -blam!- memento, and an Adept weapon.
Trials requires you to win 7 matches without losing more than 2 if you're on your first Mercy card. This can take between 30 minutes to an hour depending on skill level. If you are able to go flawless, you are guaranteed a trials weapon, an adept trials weapon, an ascendant shard, a -blam!- -blam!- memento, and a chance for a cosmetic item.
Understand, that is if everything goes smoothly, which it definitely won't. You will win 4 matches, lose 2, reset your card, and try again. You've essentially wasted all that time since the goal is to go flawless. And the loot you receive will probably be 2 trash weapons and an ascendant shard you don't need for 2 hours of work.
This is bad and it's obviously bad. Going flawless should be a loot shower. You should get 2 ascendant alloys, 2 ascendant shards, an masterworked armor piece with 68 base stats, an adept weapon, and an additional weapon, the memento, and that chance for a cosmetic.
When I see people go to the Lighthouse for the first time and I hear their excitement, I feel terrible. They are about to get a pittance for doing something that was excruciatingly difficult to attain for them. They deserve to see the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, not the modern version of 2 tokens and a blue.
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Simple They want you to stop playing Trials so they eliminate it all together. The game mode itself is made for the Elite of this game. Not enjoyable to the casual gamer. GMs are great becuase everyone can enjoy them and all it takes is a Decent Setup. Trials Is painful You have to RNG your teammates and pray that they are not machine learning AI.
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7 RepliesAdditionally, going flawless should reward artifice armor.
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1 ReplyWish after completing a GM the regular nightfall would drop weapons like Trials after flawless 7 win flawed cards drop weapons.
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Trials solo can actually be fun even if you're trash like me. But if I want flawless I don't stress it, I just get it the easy way lol
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If it helps you feel better, I hate all of my Adept NF weapons. There was never an equivalent GM Adept to say The Immortal in its day, or Igneous Hammer, etc. Trials gets better PvE weapons too than PvE activities. My take on the whole Adept weapon thing is, if I have to complete the hardest activities in the game without them to get them, then why do I need them?
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Yeah im not gonna turn down more loot, so go for it lol.
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1 ReplyAnd that’s without mentioning double NF rewards for 2 Adepts in one GM run. Which means in 3 runs (which can be over a hour or nearly 2 depending on the GM), you can get 7 Adepts (6 of them + 1 from Zavala because you get 4 Ciphers from double reward GM runs) and a crap load of MW materials (except for Enhancement Cores). Too bad the Memento is very limited with what weapons look good with it unlike Gambit and Trials Memento.
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22 RepliesAgreed, at this point just get rid of Flawless. How bout just get the specific amount of wins (can be adjusted or increased) then you get the adept. I can be sure, more people will play Trials.
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1 ReplyThe adept drop rates on a flawless card are abysmal as well.
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9 Replies[quote]The average GM takes 25 minutes and you're guaranteed an Exotic armor piece/ascendant shard + another ascendant shard, an ugly -blam!- memento, and an Adept weapon. Trials requires you to win 7 matches without losing more than 2 if you're on your first Mercy card. This can take between 30 minutes to an hour depending on skill level. If you are able to go flawless, you are guaranteed a trials weapon, an adept trials weapon, an ascendant shard, a -blam!- -blam!- memento, and a chance for a cosmetic item. Understand, that is if everything goes smoothly, which it definitely won't. You will win 4 matches, lose 2, reset your card, and try again. You've essentially wasted all that time since the goal is to go flawless. And the loot you receive will probably be 2 trash weapons and an ascendant shard you don't need for 2 hours of work. This is bad and it's obviously bad. Going flawless should be a loot shower. You should get 2 ascendant alloys, 2 ascendant shards, an masterworked armor piece with 68 base stats, an adept weapon, and an additional weapon, the memento, and that chance for a cosmetic. When I see people go to the Lighthouse for the first time and I hear their excitement, I feel terrible. They are about to get a pittance for doing something that was excruciatingly difficult to attain for them. They deserve to see the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, not the modern version of 2 tokens and a blue.[/quote] You get rewards through the 7 matches to get the non-adepts So comparing a single GM to 7 trials games is dumb, its more like running 6 nightfalls then a 10 minute sweaty grandmaster with 1 or 2 attempts Honestly you comparing these modes like this shows how little you thought about the non-adept drops for both modes
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Agreed. GM's are faster and easier to farm. You get at least as much per GM as per flawless if not more. The only thing is the lack of cosmetics for GMs but still.
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1 ReplyThe average gm takes about 35 to 40 mins
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13 RepliesYou don't get anything for losing In GM While trials .....
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my last trials with the weapon crafting bug to the lighthouse took 5 hours..5 hours! Trials shouldn't be 100x times harder than gms when the only things that affects trials is the worst connections in gaming, crap cheese, and dumb capture points in every round.
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Can't believe you think a gm is more rewarding
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2 RepliesEdited by rtopz: 10/1/2023 6:54:15 PMTrials isn't that tough if 25% get it weekly...that's way above the 15-20%, it used to be But I agree the drop rates for adept or flawless are janky
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5 RepliesI just wanted the emblem, I don't want gold on my weapons when I'm going for black and red.
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What an amount of drivel.
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A_moCowboy hat will zoom that. - old
Going flawless should probably happen less for some people and possibly give more loot each time for everyone. If there's going to be a lot of talk about what's fair, the dozens of flawlesses, or even really more than like 5 probably shouldn't be a regular thing for anyone. And for anyone should really mean everyone because the game works better overall when its really everyone and not some people that get to jack the internet up that everyone else is supposed to ignore. Speaking of which I have yet to see how fireteam matchmaking hasn't been an overall improvement, even if there are forms of matchmaking where I score more more regularly. But the overall idea that going flawless once should feel more special than it does now is a good one. Not sure about the zone mode or why people aren't or haven't said they're happy with the non adept drops. -
1 ReplyIt's almost like they're two completely different activities for two sides of the playerbase. Endgame pvp. It's going to be difficult as intended. Your reward? A lot of cosmetics and flex weapons. Don't like it? Don't play it.
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GMs are consistent in their reward and output, Trials is back-loaded and has the potential to be much more efficient. A flawless card nets you at least 2 Adept weapons, one from the chest and the other for turning it in with Saint, and you have the chance of getting more to drop when playing after 7 wins on that card. If you played on and got one more and that took 90 minutes at a conservative estimate, that's 1 every 30, which is fine.
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Or, you could play both and reap allll the rewards. Just saying.
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Edited by Amazinite: 10/1/2023 5:52:09 AMDoesn’t help that the rep gains are PAINFULLY slow if you’re reseting your card. It basically means that if you can’t go flawless, your better off not ever trying, as trying and failing means you’ll just be worse off than if you didn’t try at all.
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1 ReplyI've heard from sinister sources that if you use aimbot, the experience is more satisfying. In my experience, just seeing the poor connection in some games, the terrible team balance, and the people using Cronus or Xim, it's not even worth trying. If you do, you end up frustrated. As you rightly pointed out, you get little for what you have to endure.
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8 RepliesEdited by Hupakko: 10/1/2023 10:03:56 AMThe thing is, you get the loot after going to the lighthouse (and start grinding wins). I grinded over 40 Igneous drops last week with flawed card, and like 10-15 golf balls. After you go to the lighthouse, every win of you card can drop weapon or golf ball (even flawed card). Drop rate is somewhere around 20-30%
