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[quote]So, devs, story team, anyone with any knowledge not currently in game, since there are no new lore books and the collectibles reveal nothing particularly relevant to the situation; how did Oryx end up on Titan? It's pretty much established if not confirmed inside current cannon that Oryx fell toward Saturn, being pulled by gravity or just shunted away by the force of our attacks, inside the rings, which is absolutely outside the range of where Titan exists. Did Xivu find his body and drag it there for "burial"? Did Savathun? Did she really think she could bring him back with the light given his absolute aversion to it? Did he somehow magically avoid the massive gravitational pull of Saturn for a quick swing around the block to land with a flip in Titans ocean? How did he manage to land so close to the arcology and no one have any idea about it? Would that not have been a thing the hidden would have tracked? Given our knowledge of Hive gods being revived using mere memories? How did this leap in logic ever come to be? I need an explanation that isn't as mudane as "space magic" to make this make sense. Because otherwise you're taking some massive leaps and bounds outside the realm of a nearly decade long story for some really obvious plot holes. Make it make sense for me and the millions of people who have invested in the lore of this universe. I beg of you.[/quote] Oryx fell into Titan, while he may have gone towards Saturn its almost impossible to tell what happened between then and him landing its possible if he slungshot around Saturn which is what must have happened. Also while he is big hes not that big, i can imagine being near a planet with rings its common to see stray objects land in the ocean, hes also not that close hes a decent distance away. It seems that Savathun knew the location of Oryx body since that way Lucent Brood we encountered which were Savathuns forces. As well there is no reason to believe he would not be able to be resurrected just because he was the Taken King (you said aversion this is what I imagine you mean specifically) the Light resurrected Savathun so there is no reason to believe it cant resurrect Oryx. As well the death of Oryx was a little unplanned. The ship was still dangerous and having someone track a object like that till it landed would be nigh impossible. Remember how Rasputin wasn’t even active then, there would be no way to track the body. It’s implied that the hidden were constantly looking for it though. Hive gods also cant be revived with mere memories. They have to have a throne world and once killed in that there is no coming back that we know. Id say the biggest issue isn’t even a lore issue but a technical one which is how he landed on Titan. Only thing i could think is he slungshot or Titan was some how close enough to apply some form of gravitational pull on him.
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  • To slingshot around a planet you need a lot of speed. He was falling slowly from the ship, meaning the only speed he could get would be the gravity of Saturn or one of its moons. You’d never get enough speed and the angle would be way off, it’d never work. Just plot convenience

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  • [quote]To slingshot around a planet you need a lot of speed. He was falling slowly from the ship, meaning the only speed he could get would be the gravity of Saturn or one of its moons. You’d never get enough speed and the angle would be way off, it’d never work. Just plot convenience[/quote] You do understand gravity correct? He can easily build up enough speed to slingshot around that planet. We use slingshot maneuvers all the time for satellites As well who tf are you to say “the angle would be way off” you understand that planets move correct? As well he is in a ring he can easily bounce off the rocks in the ring. You seem to not understand physics much just like theoretical physics

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  • No he cannot. That is not how slingshotting works. Everything falls at the same rate of speed regardless of mass. Oryx was in free-fall. Saturns gravity is too strong for him to just somehow slingshot his way perfectly onto titan. In order to slingshot you need to physically manipulate your vehicle as you go around a celestial body. At the position oryx was in there's no way his body escapes that gravitational pull by chance or by luck. It sounds like plot convenience but the royal chase scout lore hints to oryx being swept up when the witness pulled titan. But unless there's a piece of lore or a character straight up says it all we have his speculation & theories.

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  • [quote]No he cannot. That is not how slingshotting works. Everything falls at the same rate of speed regardless of mass. Oryx was in free-fall. Saturns gravity is too strong for him to just somehow slingshot his way perfectly onto titan. In order to slingshot you need to physically manipulate your vehicle as you go around a celestial body. At the position oryx was in there's no way his body escapes that gravitational pull by chance or by luck. It sounds like plot convenience but the royal chase scout lore hints to oryx being swept up when the witness pulled titan. But unless there's a piece of lore or a character straight up says it all we have his speculation & theories.[/quote] Bro what are you on, your first statement is beyond incorrect. You do understand under a atmosphere things will go at the same rate, when in space there is nothing slowing you down. Also no Saturns gravity isn’t strong enough to kill any free fall. Interta is a thing in space, his ship was in the rings which rotate saturn, so hes not just moving towards Saturn.

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  • You cannot gain enough speed from gravity alone to escape or get to a higher orbit. If he was within the rings and simply fell towards Saturn, he could not build enough speed to “slingshot” around Saturn and get to Titan. When we use slingshot maneuvers irl, we use thrusters to add velocity at the right time to get the boost from the slingshot. Just going around a planet without thrust won’t get you anywhere further; you’ll still be in the same elliptical orbit. And yes, “Titan is moving” but unless you’re falling in an orbit on the same plane as Titan’s or just VERY lucky at a point where they intercept (which would also require your path to even intercept with Titan’s at all, which would require you to get to a MUCH higher orbit than Saturn’s rings), you’ll never reach Titan because the angle does very much matter.

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  • [quote]You cannot gain enough speed from gravity alone to escape or get to a higher orbit. If he was within the rings and simply fell towards Saturn, he could not build enough speed to “slingshot” around Saturn and get to Titan. When we use slingshot maneuvers irl, we use thrusters to add velocity at the right time to get the boost from the slingshot. Just going around a planet without thrust won’t get you anywhere further; you’ll still be in the same elliptical orbit. And yes, “Titan is moving” but unless you’re falling in an orbit on the same plane as Titan’s or just VERY lucky at a point where they intercept (which would also require your path to even intercept with Titan’s at all, which would require you to get to a MUCH higher orbit than Saturn’s rings), you’ll never reach Titan because the angle does very much matter.[/quote] People assume he fell towards saturn due to gravity but don’t acknowledge the location of the dreadnaught, its in the middle of the rings, its entirely possible he could have landed on one. He was floating away because he was “blown” away as well it is possible for a object moving at the speed oryx was to slingshot. We use the thrusters to make micro adjustments for slingshot maneuvers not speed up. They are to burn for less than a second, only time they are used for velocity is when it needs to be slowed down or sped back up Space is mostly empty and the space between Saturn and its rings is larger than you believe Its all possible just extremely unlikely, idk why people cant comprehend that it’s possible and rather say it’s impossible due to just what they see

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  • Or the hidden found him as he was falling into Saturn and dragged him to Titan?

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  • [quote]Or the hidden found him as he was falling into Saturn and dragged him to Titan?[/quote] That makes no sense, the hidden aren’t that skilled, space is mostly empty and large, finding a small object relative to most things in space is hard. As well the longer they took to find him the more (exponentially) harder it is to track. As well at the end Hawthorne says that Ikora is sending the Hidden to secure the body. So they definitely couldn’t have known

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