[quote][...] from a logical point, this doesn't fly. Unless the seasonal stories this year completely blow all other non-expansion content out of the water (because they can't just be exceptional, they have to be exceptional to make up for what Lightfall lacked) then this isn't justified, noble, or reasonable.[/quote] Bungie doesn't need to be logical, noble - what a big word, or reasonable. All they need is a contract, people sign to access their content what makes, from my point of view, a "prey" for them. And, by the way, judging by industrial standards, that's normal. I know, there are other developers who care and just to be fair, I think most of the developers at Bungie have the same attitude but a few at the top can't get enough and can't get enough fast enough. Speaking of can't, they can: they can resell content from the original Destiny, they can remove content from Destiny 2, they can increase their prices - just look at the current Deluxe Edition with a $20 plus. They can! But it looks like that Eververse, remember what Smith said as it was implemented - practically the same as now about the pass - has gone down in sale numbers. Because if not they would not change to a more aggressive model forcing people into Silver. Same goes for Lightfall + Annual Pass with almost 3,000 Mostly Negative reviews on Steam. At the end of the day it's a business, which needs money for functionality, and I wish them nothing bad but I'm not that sure how Bungie see's his clients today in the same spot. I haven't played since six weeks - I bought the Deluxe Edition. I think I'm done. Maybe I continue with a minimum for what I paid for but I can't imagine to continue like that. One thing is for sure: I will not buy Matter, same about Halo and it's hard to convince myself to invest in another DLC next year. Now I posted my frustration. - Sincerly

"Lightfall failed" ... they made a billion dollars; yes it sucked, but money is all they care about, so...

When was this "compelling seasonal experience" then ??, do they actually believe this ?? .. Because I have seen more compelling story telling in a Witcher 3 ten minute side quest than these so called "compelling seasonal experiences" they claim to have made. Hey everyone, remember Eido ?? .. No, me either. She appeared, acted high and mighty for a bit while Bungie pointed and shouted "Look everyone, female character being all assertive and stuff" and then .. nothing. What you get as a story is a weak sauce narrative peppered with "Hey, care about this". The seasonal experience is like that Skeletor meme where he says something, then gets up and shouts "Until next time !!" while legging it. I cant remember one season I actually give one toss about anymore or that actually made me feel immersed in the game. Or where anything we did actually changed anything. They probably did but I cant remember. Take the one on the Leviathan. All that effort only to see Calus in Lightfall dress up with a purple KFC bucket on his head, some exhaust pipes on his shoulders and be killed in front his daughter while being mocked by someone who makes Jar Jar Binks look like a triumph in storytelling. All you get every season is a six man horde mode, again. Plus a weekly story morsel from a story that finishes a month before the next season and ultimately means nothing. And the same 100 rank seasonal procession of mostly pointless tat. Oh, and of course, the Eververse refresh. That happens eight times a year with events but hey, Bungie are all about the storytelling right ?? Red Dead Redemption 2 does storytelling, Arthur Morgan' story is amazing and you feel like he's a real person. You care about him. Same with Kratos and his kid in God of War and Ragnarok. The characters develop and mature and invoke a sense of attachment. You care about what happens to them. Same with Geralt in Witcher 3, you see how good he can be as he is treated like dirt. You have choices as to how these characters develop and that makes you a feel part of the journey. In Destiny I feel like I am watching some kind of rubbish space opera where no one feels, acts or talks like a real person. Bungie does this .. "Hey everyone, this guys gay now. And his robot. Woo hoo, how cool are we ??". This is a game that ended a season with the gay Warlock feeding his robot boyfriend a tea made from a disciple of the Witness. That sounds like something written by a hipster tripping on waccy baccy. And I only remember it because it was so utterly stupid. I think Bungie need to go look up what compelling means.

Seasons were never compelling, they were always just an additional FOMO cashgrab. Bungie's way of introducing a subscription model to their game without calling it that. That goes for any game with a "battlepass" really. Bungie fits right into Sony's camp, charge more for no additional value. Because of Destiny 2, I'm forever going to be suspicious of Bungies games, and literally anything they say. They went from one of my most beloved developers to being one to watch out for because they'll shove a pole up your rear when you're not paying attention. Hell, even if you are paying attention, they just don't care. I remember when Eververse was introduced in D1, Bungie assured us the money was going back into development for free events and content. But instead of that I see more ads, literal Destiny sponsored ads, more in game purchases, more reskinned garbage, literal re-issued old -blam!-, more expensive seasons etc. Events are only "free" because they re-use the -blam!- from the last time the event was around, and introduce more eververse items to buy. It's shameful really... Destiny 1 positioned itself as a new incredible shared world shooter to play with your friends. Destiny 2 content is so segregated and paywalled that no one can actually play together without forking out money for each little piece of content.

Bungee: I’d say we can. We took a unfinished future DLC and split it so we could cash grab our loyal fan base. Push our unpopular Gen Z politics while charging more than we ever have in the past for an expansion. 💵💵💵💵💸💸💸💸🤑🤑🤑🤑

The days of talent, skill, creativity, and excellent work ethic are over.

Compelling seasonal experiences? [b]What?[/b] That’s beyond delusion. I’m beginning to think that Bungo HQ may be infested with some form of brain parasite.

30th Anniversary wasn't free, and "free to play" players can't play any of the content, except Dares of Eternity.

yes they can, thaycan do anything, it's up to the customers to reply with not paying, these people know gamers are easy targets, go figure

I'll forgo the next season pass and use that money to get dumplings and spring rolls with my happy family order. Love cheap Chinese food.

They said the season will be better so I’ll hold out a little hope

I'm just hoping that the competitive market means a more consumer friendly business model of another game bites into bungie's income. I really hope it does. I've already seen new player topics from destiny players in the warframe forums and reddit. 👍

Ha! Uhh, no. Yes, Lightfall's story was a flop and deserved far, far more! But other than that, I've personally enjoyed Lightfall way more than Witch Queen. And the game even with its issues is probably the most fun it's ever been. Cuciable still isn't but it never truly will be, due to how it is on a fundamental level. I don't agree with them increasing the price, but it's only 2 US dollars more, and if the community at large really has a problem with it. Bungie will see overall sales go down and may have to change accordingly. But until something like that happens. Pricing will always go up the majority of the time. Not down.