Hi community.
This is a rant and a call for ideas/help.
I hate the meta, with so many weapons in this game, with so vastly different functions and perks, it shouldn't evolve around hand cannons and people sliding around one tapping with shotguns.
It's not fun being on the receiving end nor fun playing like that. Basically all other weapons are for PvE only, except for snipers on some PvP maps.
Getting killed by a trace rifle or Symmetry or even Tommy's matchbook puts a smile on my face. It's rare.. but so refreshing.
I have no idea how to counter these shotgun sliders. I hate sniping and shotguns in all fps games i've played over these past decades. Not my playstyle. What i get successful with 3 out of 10 times are rapid frame fusions and aiming low...real low. But it's stil not good stats wise. Believe me though.. i don't play for stats (K/D below 1.0) at all, but for fun and experimenting with loadouts and weapon's.
But it's not fun with the meta....at all. "If you can't beat them... Join them"... Sure, but no thanks.
So.. counter's? Ideas? Thoughts on meta? Git gud?
One scenario i see is to have a game mode where no meta weapons are allowed. Or maybe a game mode with only kinetic weapons?
Remove the radar permanent in a permanent game mode? Weekly change on weapons allowed? Fusion rifles only for a week. Assault rifles only and so on.
I don't know .. as i said, a rant.
Have a great weekend.
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Iron_RangerHunter Revenant - old
Here is part 2 of my spontaneous combustion video. Edited on PS5 so no fancy stuff. I'm doing ok when i don't encounter shotgun sliders. Tried some tips from this thread...still getting wrecked. -
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To your point about restrictions. Agree. I’ve discussed this with clan mates. If weapons and armor can be locked in some modes, if accelerated supers can be coded in Mayhem, and if scorch canons can be forced weaponry in Team Scorched, then it is possible to have a restricted weapon environment. Not all out. But what if a auto-rifle only PvP was possible on a rotating basis? Or all weapons hiked to one-tap lethality? Or a map where only the fastest fist wins in a fisticuffs match? It would not matter if someone does or does not have a bow. No one has a scorch canon. But it could be programmed to put only bows in the hands or Guardians and have them fight with what is provided. Now, before all the children start the crying and gnashing of teeth and smearing their feces around over how much they hate this, consider the following: 1) Everyone has the same weapons. Fastest trigger and most tactical cunning wins. Outside of controller skill, playing field is leveled. 2) Yes. Not everyone is good with the weapon of the week. Shotgun apes will cry. Time to get gud or figure out how to program your cheat differently. 3) New maps for a fisticuffs match et al could be developed to provide the right environment for that weapon. Wide open maps with halls for sniping. Small rooms for punching. 4) It would be something new. 5) some matches might take longer to get done. Bow kills and punching comes to mind. Meh. Timing will need to be adjusted or the number of team kills hiked or lowered as needed. 6) Assists in getting bounties or catalysts vs guardians completed. Grenade launcher kills, etc. 7) It would be fun. Imagine a map where only machine guns and unlimited ammo was available. 8) Gives a chance for players accustomed to a specific weapon to shine. It’s a mode that does’t need to happen all the time but could be inserted into the crucible rotation. -
Just use whatever is meta rn it’s the easiest way to counter everything in this game
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1 ReplyEdited by ben: 9/25/2022 8:07:36 AM
benVOW OF THE DISCIPLE #1 FAN - old
They already did what they could. Shotguns specifically got their pellet spread significantly nerfed while sliding and after coming out of a slide. If you still die to this strategy Im not too sure what to say -
GLs are more cheesy
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Use an smg, or pretty much anything Shotguns are booty
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Edited by JazzyPaladin477: 9/24/2022 11:57:51 PMWalk backward and use a sidearm, seriously. Travellers chosen for exotic or drang for legendary. Both have ridiculously low time to kill. Walking backward is the key.
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2 RepliesUse a pulse rifle and fusion rifle. That’s the easiest loadout to succeed with.
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How to counter shotguns without using meta. Use a glaive and block while shooting them 👍
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Basic game sense and backpedal lol pellet shotties are extremely inconsistent outside of 5-6 meters
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Just get gud
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1 ReplyEdited by AppleSoda: 9/24/2022 4:04:14 AMIdk what game you’re playing. Meta is dominated by pulse rifles and scouts at higher levels. Most weeks, Trials Report reflects this, with only major exceptions being when maps are incredibly close quarters like Anomaly. Shotguns are trash. They stubbornly stay relevant simply because of the incredible movement of high skilled players and the low skill floor for low skill players but frankly Fusions are just much more consistent and don’t require much more effort. Counter shotguns by: -Using an ability that slows or pulls or freezes or pushes or suppresses (there’s a lot of them: smoke bomb, vortex grenade, Duskfield grenade, stasis shurikens, suppressor grenade, coldsnap grenade, etc.) -Use an ability that puts a barrier between you and the opponent (barricades, glacier grenades) -Counter shotgun (equip your own shotgun and use it defensively) -Equip a fusion (will beat most shotgun apes) -Equip a sidearm -Equip an SMG -Equip Last Word -Walk backwards -Play near a teammate -Position better
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Sidearms, smgs, fusions. Even double meleeing with ophidians or synthoceps has a pretty good chance to bamboozle them with the rubberbanding. I was using dead messenger the other day and found that it with a ranged melee (I was using warlock electro ball but celestial fire would work just as well if not better) was actually good for shutting down juggernaut titans.
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2 RepliesShotguns are trash now, if you're dying to them over and over it's user error.
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2 RepliesBait them with by using their radar against them. Go forward, light up their radar, backpedal, and profit. It has a pretty high success rate
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2 RepliesDude tommy’s is amazing for pve Especially as a warlock Dps goes out the roof I dont wanna be that guy but shotguns are low skill weapons and should be easy for you to counter if you just think around it Maybe use their slide against them :)
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I’d recommend pulses and fusions. Take your time and avoid choke points.