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9/19/2022 5:54:41 PM
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RNG is out of control

Pinnacles that land in places you don't need them. Or they drop but their light level is lower than the item in that slot Red border weapon drop rates to unlock patterns are far too low. This stuff doesn't keep me coming back, it makes me put the game down. The RNG and grind in this game is out of control and needs to be dialed back. Play a lot? You should advance faster. Play a little you should advance slower. But you should still make progress. Please increase the drop rate of red border weapons and either make light level progress purely XP based or add drop protection.
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  • Edited by Kouz_MC: 9/20/2022 7:59:49 AM
    [quote] Play a lot? You should advance faster. Play a little you should advance slower. But you should still make progress. [/quote] It’s actually the other way around. Bungie’s RNG dates from the 2000s, and is designed to normally distribute rewards on a time horizon that is a function of your gaming profile. So the more you play, the more the RNG will “delay” rewards. The less you play, the more the game is going to incentivize you to play more by rewarding you with top drops. Anyone who has enough experience helping others, especially very casual players, knows this is a fact. The problem with that rational is that it eventually takes away the genuine desire many players have to helping others. This gambling RNG Bungie put in place definitely helped the game grow in the first years, but is now weighing on the attitude of the community overall. Spending 4h helping new players complete a raid, to see them loot 5 red border raid weapons + the exotic, when the people helping are getting only armor, is definitely not inclusive nor helping the mental health of kind players.

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    • They desperately need to rework their RNG and levelling to reward players for their grind. I've never minded grinding and even I'm getting hacked off. I'm seeing players who loved the game quitting though because they don't feel they get rewarded for their efforts or the hours they spend, whereas they do in other games. Bungie are going to kill their game if they don't fix it but then maybe that's the plan? Push everyone onto their new one? I did all 4 iron banner pinnacles on each character and got something like 9 duplicates. Never get raid exotics and always get duplicates in raids and dungeons with the same piece of armour dropping from every chest. They just aren't worth the time sink and the messing about with LFGs. As it stands they practically punish you for playing. Which is ridiculous.

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    • I don’t believe it’s RNG, I believe the repetitive duplicates are on purpose. I’ve received 5 primary pinnacles out of the 6 this week so far.

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    • Yep , I log on once a week now to do the story and then I log off, I'm much happier now I refuse to chase pinnacles I haven't made my mind up about preordering lightfall but I have definitely fallen out of love with this game.

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      • [quote]RNG is out of control[/quote] Ha! RNG is completely in control. RNG is in control of all guardians staying in the hamster wheel. Complete control. That’s what it’s all about. Hamster wheel gaming.

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      • im somewhere between casual and elite. I do my pinnacles, raids and story missions on all 3 characters each week then put the game down till reset Ketchcrash is a boring activity expedition is a little better but getting the materials for them is tedious and tiring. I completed the iron banner quest and went 3x flawless so I do put decent time into the game. all that said in week 4 of the season after doing all that I still do not have touch of malice 0-12 while some clanmates got it 2x one person got it 3x.. and i still do not have a single new weapon pattern unlocked other than the quest for the AR and Linear.. RNG this season has been the worst ever for me... RIP

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        • Least d2 rng is simple is it a weapon or armor D1 rng was way worse it wasn’t is it a weapon or armor it was is it a primary is it a special is it a heavy is it a helmet is it arms is it a chest is it legs is it a class item like that was bad I’ll take d2 rng over d1 rng any day of the year

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          • Wish we could just earn pinnacles we needed instead of earning the CHANCE to get the pinnacles we need.

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          • A few weeks into the season and people are crying like toddlers over RNG. Yeap, this community hasn't changed.

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            • Ngl. What we have now, is way better then it used to be

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              • The number going up grind has mostly stopped for most people as there is no reason to be super high level unless you run GM nightfalls, everything else has no reason to be of a high power level. Bungie should get rid of the power grind completely

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                • yea, i kinda took a 2 week break already.. cant even get 1 little light for my helmet..

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                • I feel like a get a lot of red boarders but they never can have a pattern extracted, which makes them useless. I don't think I've gotten more than 5 red boarders for this seasons weapons.

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                • 2 system not meant for everyone Pinnacle max doesn't really matter right now unless you want to do master raid And red border shouldn't be giving out like candy otherwise it would defeat it entire purpose to be an addition to the loot pool and not there to replace it

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                • I went an entire week needing only a 1580 heavy, and a 1580 bond. Got the heavy, but not the bond. Feels bad. Not sure that it’s the end of the world, but it makes me upset.

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                • what exactly are you looking for? Are you looking for a red border from the raid or duality? I think you're being vague on purpose just to rant.

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                    "No" - A_dmg04 - old

                    I'm at 1580 and I have had an insane amount of pinnacles drop as energy weapons. There are so many sources for pinnacles that can be solo'd or even no-mic lfg'd. Besides that, there's no real reason to hit the hard cap unless you enjoy all triumphs completed or want to be day1 GM ready. Just play the parts of the game you enjoy and you'll level up organically.

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                    • Just resetted gambit rank and didnt get a single yesteryear drop.

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                      • [quote]Pinnacles that land in places you don't need them. Or they drop but their light level is lower than the item in that slot Red border weapon drop rates to unlock patterns are far too low. This stuff doesn't keep me coming back, it makes me put the game down. The RNG and grind in this game is out of control and needs to be dialed back. Play a lot? You should advance faster. Play a little you should advance slower. But you should still make progress. Please increase the drop rate of red border weapons and either make light level progress purely XP based or add drop protection.[/quote] Nothing random about bingle rng, it is weighted so you play more, which actually makes you play less

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                      • Edited by Nimrod_39: 9/20/2022 6:35:44 AM
                        I really do not understand how Bungie think. It's like the maker of my aircraft giving me an engine start checklist and then making the switches on it do the opposite of what the check list says. They design a complicated progression system designed to get you to higher level content. And then they make that system work against you by weighing the drops to land in the highest slot. The very opposite of what they are for. If my highest slot is a 1580 helmet and I get another one, that's not a pinnacle reward. It's just more of the same. They designed a weapon crafting system. But then they make you have to get red drop weapons to craft a weapon you have already obtained and then they make those drops very rare. Again, taking a simple system and making it more complicated than it needs to be, and making it work against you. Blues are pointless once you hit the soft cap. Instead of making them auto shard into whatever after hitting it, and we had that in D1 so it's possible, they turned pointless blues into a Gunsmith grind. For a weapon on rank up that is most likely lower than your current light level. And therefore pointless unless it's a really good roll. Which it won't be. Another system that comes out of nothing, for nothing. They turned transmog for armour ornaments you have already obtained or even bought as part of the season pass, into yet another grind for materials you should not need, by doing the same activities you have been doing for years, to unlock what you have already obtained. Again, making the system work against you by inventing a system that was not needed for something we have already earned or paid for. There is a principle in aviation called KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. There is a tendency for people to over complicate things in any situation when the reality is that simplest option is normally the most effective one. Occam's razor is a similar principle applied in medicine. Basically if you hear hooves you should think horses, not zebras. I have seen very experienced guys deal with an emergency in the simulator by delving into checklists and forgetting the first rule which is to fly the aircraft, they are still heads in reading away when I tap them on the shoulder and point out that they forgot to fly the aircraft and we are now part of a mountain. If all these systems are designed by Bungie to make people play more it's having exactly the opposite effect in my book. It makes people feel manipulated and their efforts a waste of time. I have felt that way a lot in recent weeks.

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                        • Could not agree more. I grinded the hell out of Treasure hunt and dares this weekend. Probably 15 hours of play to get one scout and one Bxr red box. On Sunday night I just couldn’t bring myself to play it anymore. Seemed like a chore and a waste of my time. So I’ve played other things and had a great time. If you dont RESPECT the players time then don’t EXPECT the players time.

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                        • This exactly. For a solo player it is even worse. Only THREE pinnacle drops per week can be achieved playing solo. And then you get those 3 pinnacle drops in places you don't need them. How hard is it to design the Bungie? You get a powerful, pinnacle, or prime engram: it decrypts for your lowest slot. Everybody should be able to hit pinnacle cap after 5 weeks of playing. If you play with other people it should be possible in 2 or 3 weeks. RNG is by far the worst part of this game. If I'm lucky I will hit pinnacle cap when the season ends, and by that time it will be worthless after a week.

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                          • The red border drops are ridiculous. I'm usually a triumph hunter but I'm gonna be leaving those alone going forward. I feel like I have to play until my fingers bleed to get them and that's BS. If that's the kind of game Bungie wants, cool, but I'm lost on sh*t like that. Sure as hell get plenty of red borders that arent actually craftable though. Lol. "Working as intended" they say.

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                          • It's how often we get layers of RNG stacked on top of each other that is really starting to bug me. Want an Exotic? Go to the lost sector on the right day and then RNG will give you about a 25% at an exotic. Then its RNG to get the right piece of armor. Want to craft the new scout? Go do (the painfully boring) Expeditions and RNG will give you a gun. Then regardless of if you even get the right gun, RNG will again determine if it is a Red.

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                            • Edited by RopeAdope: 9/19/2022 10:17:01 PM
                              Bro, I just want to play the damn game. Not locked out of content I already paid for until I’ve done the arbitrary checklist of chores and run the arbitrary mileage on the hamster wheel. It could be the best season or content drop ever created but I wouldn’t know because I refuse to torture myself. The seasonal “Light Level” grinds have literally become the equivalent of writing lines in detention “ I will waste my time and have no fun” “ I will waste my time and have no fun” “ I will waste my time and have no fun” “ I will waste my time and have no fun” “ I will waste my time and have no fun” “ I will waste my time and have no fun” “ I will waste my time and have no fun” “ I will waste my time and have no fun”

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                                RNG never existed, the game has manipulated drop from the start, RNG is just a punch bag they throw at you, wonder why 3 of my returning friends got touch of malice but none of my actual activate friend list? blame RNG. why I'm stuck at 1579 class items since the beginning of time? RNG. play more but get less? it's not me, it's RNG

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