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9/15/2022 8:27:33 AM
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What the streamers and sweats conveniently leave out when talking about SBMM

All of these streamers and sweats complaining about sbmm is getting tiresome. They complain about connections and lag and quitters and everything but the real reason which is they don't get to stomp noobs anymore and put on their thumbnails 57-0. What they leave out is under CBMM the connections were just as bad, the lag was just as bad and the quitting was just as bad. It's like they want us to feel bad for them. Well I don't. I'm glad I no longer get to contribute to your 57-0 montage. Every video now from these content creators they are complaining about sbmm while ignoring the fact that 95 percent of the playerbase cannot relate because we were on the receiving end of your montage kill streaks match after match. Why weren't the streamers and sweats saying that it's not fair for solos to go up against stacks and average to bad players having to face kd warriors? I do not care about your plight of facing equally skilled players just like you did not care about stomping my .9 kd face in. Suck it up and put your big boy pants on and deal with it. At least you have the skills to fight back as opposed to just getting ran over with no recourse.

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  • Sorry SBMM has to stay. It just isn’t fair that I’m out here against a player who barely has any mods or concept of how Resilience recovery mobility etc work. I play this game as a hobby. I know each lane and distance, when to bail and when to push. Some random blueberry is going to get absolutely stomped by my adept messenger or god roll Snorri. Or piece of mind and Duality or my third axiom and Chappy. Or any load out I’ve decided that I’d like to use because I have the experience to know what will work. This games PvP will flourish if we allow it to. Let the new players grow and their skill level improve, their enthusiasm and enjoyment will spread to others, and we will see them in Trials. Then the game grows.

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    • Quitting was far worse during CBMM

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      • Cbmm or sbmm I do the same thing to streamers. Pre charge voop from crouch position. Gimme a heartbeat sensor, thermal site, silencer and a bush for my cross map voops and we’d have a real crucible on our hands.

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      • Where on the doll did the streamers touch you? You guys are really salty about better players being better it’s hilarious. You already won and got SBMM. Why are you STILL crying?

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        • Amen

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        • Do you have better arguments than 'tHeY doN't gEt To stOmp NoObs'? In my opinion control needs a solid ranking system like lol or cs:go. And most important SOLO PLAYLIST. Just a reminder - SBMM now works awfull - the better you get the worse for you.

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          • Edited by MC 077 Lasombra: 9/17/2022 8:46:58 PM
            [quote]All of these streamers and sweats complaining about sbmm is getting tiresome[/quote] So is all of you whining about players better then you. At least streamers and sweats put in effort to be good. You all sit around and whine expecting Bungie to make the game easier for you. I know which is worse.

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            • Let’s be real, I could care less about what they cry about when you have some weirdo crying about nerfing div and well. The latency this season is blatantly evident ESPECIALLY on console between platforms. It’s bad, you have people rubber banding, shots flying when peoples guns aren’t even up. Bullets connecting behind walls ect. There is no true sbmm because there is no true skill determination system in the entirety of destiny. Combat rating isn’t even accurate and elo is unrelated/3rd party. If PvP had dedicated servers, lack of FORCED Crossplay with hella latency and a true skill determ/ranked system. There would be no issues on that front Only problems left would be bottom feeding cronus/net manipulation/ account recovs and cheese players ruining the vibe. Majority content creators are on PC, their opinions shouldn’t even be weighted for console but they base a lot of their fixes on PC and barely separate when it comes to the important -blam!-.

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            • The jealousy and obsession with streamers in these forums is a tad unhealthy ......

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            • Exactly and CBMM there is nothing casual about it if you are a 1.0 or below KD player. They love to talk about how it's not casual now. Guess what homie, it wasn't casual before for the other half of the player base. At least now everyone has a chance.

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              • As much as streamers suck people who defend the changes as if it was an improvement for anyone other than those who never wanted to get better are worse.

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                95%? You do realize how far off that number actually is right? Most people that play PvP a decent amount are at least in the top 10-15% of players in their respective modes. A more accurate number would be 75-80 in reference to the dedicated players, and about 50-60 in the lower player bases. Stop acting like this was a good decision for most people who play PvP, because that couldn’t be farther from the truth. P.S. once the skill brackets widen in a month or two, you’ll still be getting destroyed all over again. Then you’ll be be back here again wondering what happened, and when that happens; I don’t wanna hear you come crying to us saying we were right. Suck it up and move on, just like you told us to do.

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                • You so conveniently leave out that some of them DO talk about all this and still provide constructive criticism about the heavily flawed SBMM and quitter penalties.

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                • Bro generalization of sweats ain’t it man. Just because someone has better mechanical skill and game sense don’t mean they “sweats”. Also, imo, these players deserve to -blam!- on us. They probably invested years into games to improve their skill, they should be rewarded for investing their time, not punished. Furthermore, a lot of games do this. They have a casual playlist with normal cbmm and another playlist with sbmm were players compete for simply higher ranks. Bungie should just create different titles for different ranks and create a rank system similar to other games like valorant, csgo, r6, etc… Pvp players want to flex their skill, so if they put something to chase in comp, it will flood that playlist with these high tier players opening a way for the less mechanically skilled players to step up in the more casual playlists.

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                  • I wouldn't say it's for the noob stomping. It's the fact that SBMM has always had one major achilles heel that not many people discuss: the fact that you can easily manipulate it by having your weakest player as fireteam lead.

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                  • Edited by cynicalpsycho: 9/17/2022 9:49:11 AM
                    What I don't and will never understand is PvP players choosing a PvE focused (supposedly) and pvp game hybrid. I've been here since D1 day one and these forums like a year after that when top post had thousands of comments and votes. And I am straight up telling you the PvP community has never not once ever considered pvp "balanced" or "good" So at a certain point you have to ask yourself why do you keep sticking your hand back in the fire? Did you not learn the first time? Are you mentally challenged? Or suffering beaten wife syndrome with a video game?

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                  • Trials is back so you guys can have sbmm control. I won’t be playing it until next season when control becomes cbmm again.

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                    • It’s not against terms of service. Lastly, I’m surprised you would rather face a full team of streamers than have a 2v3 essentially. I’d rather stack, kill the carry, and worry about killing two streamers.

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                    • the has been the worst season of pvp ive experience since vanilla d2

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                    • Edited by Mors: 9/15/2022 9:42:19 PM
                      I'm still stomping and the lag is ridiculous this season. Also 99% of streamers play pvp solo and cry about people playing a co-op fps with others just like you...

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                      • Edited by Bluebairy: 9/16/2022 10:08:25 PM
                        Your talking about people whining about sbmm now like how all you did was whine about cbmm for the last several years? Majority of good players live in trials or private matches against other good players the fact despite that you still think they dont care that they only only die to players who teleport players who are running into a wall all match and the reason real reason why they complain is because they dont want to do what they already essentially live is hilarious and factually incorrect

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                      • Since sbmm was added back in all I've noticed is there is less mercies but 1 team almost always has a dominant lead over the other for the entire match. I've also noticed more camping, more team shooting, and cheesy loadouts. Say what you will about cbmm bit atleast people had the courage to engage in dauls instead of camp with their team mates and if they do run into some while solo they almost immediately run aways. Crucible has nearly gone full circle back to Y1 team shooting double primary metas.

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                        • So your reply to their whining is 3 paragraphs of you whining that they are better than you? Weird

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                          • You're just talking out of your butt lmao. Where is your evidence that connections and leavers were just as common? Bungie themselves has said these things have gotten worse, and it's plain obvious that a smaller pool of players to matchmake with will result in longer queue times and worse connections. If you're a mediocre, middle-of-the-pack player, then of course your connections and leavers haven't gotten worse; you're part of the largest player pool. High-skill players have a much worse experience. Not just streamers and YouTubers, it's also pretty much anyone in the top.

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                            • Edited by UnleashedArcher: 9/15/2022 10:08:47 PM
                              What happens when you get stomped by a 6 stack of 1.40 KDA players. Those players must be Gods compared to your .9 😂😂😂

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                              • Nah.. the lag definitely got worse

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