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9/13/2022 9:05:16 PM
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Loreley nerf

Hey just putting my two cents here, not complaining or whining about the nerf to loreley like most people do. I’m just wanting a dev note as to why it got reduced from providing restoration x2 sunspots from its exotic perk? Restoration x2 is a really rare buff to even get (yes it’s powerful, like stupid powerful) so why remove it from loreley? I felt like that was what made it exotic more so than the on demand sunspot when critically wounded/using a barricade. I would appreciate some dev insight into this, as opposed to a we will pass this onto the team, or we are listening feedback. Those aren’t helpful at all, just saying. P.S. I’m a hunter main, I just read those patch notes and genuinely got confused as to why it even got nerfed to begin with again as it’s rather tame and not as much of an issue anymore. So don’t go out there and say I’m a crayon eater, use correct titles. ;)

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  • My titan mates could go afk in high end content and tank 10 enemies for ages And in pvp they healed faster then you could deal primary damage

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    • Loreley basically made you immortal

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      • Gotta love the exotic perk text still saying it gives "improved restoration" when it doesn't anymore. Everything Bungie does is half-baked these days.

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      • They nerfed it because of touch of malice. So instead of making touch of malice override healing , they nerfed Loreley to the grave. Classic Bungie !

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      • It was deserved, they were literally immortal for the day 1 raid, let alone annoying to deal with in PvP, it's insane, now titans can't just stand next to Rhulk or golgoroth and effortlessly tank all their damage.

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      • a pve nerf totally deserved

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        • To be exact it’s been nerfed twice now.

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          • They should have left resto x2. But changed the cooldown to 1:22 just like bastion.

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            • titans are completely useless now. only viable exotic for harder content. now everyone's back to hiding in the back of master/GM content and hunters/warlocks pushing out and controlling the battlefield. titan's were supposed to be war tanks, tanking enemies and producing elemetal wells for the fireteam. I'm getting enough that all my builds all classes i only use heart of inmost light. i got a heart of inmost light build for triple stats on all my subclasses, it only needs a fragment with +10 strength. it's ridiculous how there's no good ENDGAME utility exotic like warlocks and hunters. titans back to HOIL ability spam. RIP my melee elemental well producing war machine build.

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              • It’s kind of useless when normal sunspots do the same thing, I just switched to wormgod. Another one of those nerfs that goes from being op to completely pointless in one update.

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                • It was the strongest exotic in the game... And they want you playing arc now not solar

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                  • I am worried about this nerf as it was completely unnecessary. All loreley did was exactly what rift already do but slightly better. If they nerfing loreley then rifts are next which is why I never made a fuss over it.

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                    • I just posted my own thread about it, but the rumor is that touch of malice combined with resto x2 is a pretty disgusting combo. That aside, let's look at how resto sat pre-nerf Restoration x1 - All classes can proc via healing grenade Restoration x2 - Warlock can proc via healing grenade and grenade buff aspect - Titans can proc via Loreley, no build requirement - Hunters have no means to proc restoration x2 on their own Restoration is already the hardest subclass effect to proc, which is probably fair because it's not interrupted and with ember of empyrean, once you activate it, you can try to chain it. The problem I see with this is that Loreley doesn't even need empyrean, and you don't need a build for it. Warlocks can either use empyrean, or build to regen grenades to increase uptime. Hunters literally can't proc restoration x2, even if you use empyrean, throwing the healing grenade again will not up the buff to x2. I think Loreley was lucky that it lasted this long. However I think Bungie should rework one of the worse solar fragments into something that procs restoration. I understand that it's very powerful, but I think having at least one other option besides healing grenade would be fine. Also I would like to see Bungie change restoration to where if you proc restoration x1, and maintain the buff, if you re-proc restoration, it should up the buff to restoration x2. This provides a gameplay incentive, and adds some more value back to empyrean. Right now, I don't even use empyrean on solar hunter, because I'm able to get grenade back often enough and radiant is active almost all the time since we can chain throwing knives.

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                    • Titan has 1 good exotic left. When that gets nerfed , that's when I uninstall the game. Right now titans are trash

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                      • [quote](yes it’s powerful, like [b]stupid[/b] [b]powerful[/b])[/quote]

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                      • Edited by Weiss127: 9/14/2022 12:49:56 PM
                        When Lorely came out and it didn’t consume your barricade. It was OP as hell. When it was changed to consume it. It became annoying as hell as a Titan. But then you got used to it. And that was the drawback. That was negative to Lorely is loosing your barricade when you need it so you survive. Which was a fine trade-off. Now? Well I could just run another exotic and throw a healing grenade at my feet and do the same thing Lorely does but have a exotic that could help buff my super, damage or abilities. And still keep a barricade. I think the larger concern is that it has been perceived that the sunspots nerf was in preparation of solar 3.0 and Lorely. Getting x2 all over the map would have been amazing but broke. Now we have a not so useful (but still useful helmet) exotic and sunspots that are nerfed. But just for comparison. Hunters can still have infinite arc super resilience and a roaming solar super that last forever and can decimate a whole lobby due to the AA.

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                        • Ehy Guardian. I see your point, but as a Titan main who uses Lorelay and Solar Subclass for Raids, Nightfalls, Legendary Lost Sectors and those contents where it's very handy to have that [i]"second chance"[/i] , I feel that Lorelay went from [i]"Too good!"[/i] to [i]"Good"[/i] and now I feel it's just fine. Did a King's Fall Raid yesterday with Clanmates and Lorelay was still working great, doing it's job but not in that almost dumb way that basically made me immortal and able to stand in front of dozens of enemies, reload and stuff standing still like nothing was happening at all.

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                        • One thing I'm gonna miss is using my lorely weilding teammates as cover. I loved hanging out behind em while they just tank damage

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                        • Edited by Speedy: 9/14/2022 9:18:42 AM
                          When a Titan can just stand in one place and do nothing and survive against an army of mobs, somethings wrong there…..

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                        • It was beyond overpowered.. immortality tends to make a lot of content and engagements trivial and pointless.

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                        • Any reply with hyperbole I’d just ignore.

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                        • Because it’s beyond overpowered. There are many situations in this gane where you literally have to take it off to die or you’re invincible. I love Loreley. It’s super fun to be a tank, but the nerf was inevitable.

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