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- force us into SBMM so anyone over a 1.3 k/d is forced into lobbies that are unforgiving, laggy, unfun, and full of hostile players who are also unhappy they're forced into ultra meta world championships
- force us into the most unpopular, large, boring maps that don't encourage engagement and instead take more time to traverse from spawn, to the hot zones, only to die from someone far outside of your range who was posted up waiting for you
- force us into staying in these unfun matches on unfun maps by banning us if we quit
I'm not sure anyone working on PvP right now understands the fundamental pain points we are having, my benefit of the doubt is gone
Bungie i'm sorry i have a 1.8 k/d and i'm apparently the problem in pvp for everybody but congrats, problem solved: i quit pvp, this sucks. i hope that was the solution y'all wanted! can't suspend me if i don't play.
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Meatbaag"No" - A_dmg04 - old
Sounds like you want to shoot at targets that don't move or shoot back. Go to the range behind the enclave, it might be more your speed. If you are a good player, you should play against good players. If you get outranged, stop running lanes without a ranged weapon. Stop blaming sbmm for your inability to adapt, you've had 3 years of stomping casuals, now it's time for you to earn those kills. -
1 ReplyMy understanding is the SBMM is currently only in the control playlist. I could be wrong, but if only control then why not try the other playlists if you dont like the sbmm.
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3 Replieswhat blows my mind is all the comments in here that are like "turns out you arent that good lawllll" like, yes, we are, that's why bungie is taking us out of your pool so YOU can get a false sense of how good you are lol.
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Don’t listen to this clown I wouldn’t be surprised if he is baiting us
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You would not believe your eyes if 10 million fireflies lit up the walls
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K/DA vs wins. Would rather see a sbmm where it was wins instead of kills which matched players. I enjoy playing good fair games I just would not like to lose 30% of the games bc of my team sucking.
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Edited by A_mo: 9/14/2022 1:42:10 PMI just hope they realize this is a decision that they can't really undo without there probably being a massive increase in quitting over what it used to be. Not a big fan of SBMM and space magical thinking being the dominant approach to PvP but at the same time there could be days where 80%+ of the matches I played would have the overall quality dropped pretty significantly by people going and coming. And when its happening that much its not just "oh I need to answer the door." Plus when people quit a lot the game has to put effort into coming up with reasons why people get joined in progress into those matches and it can basically become a self-licking ice cream cone in terms of overall match quality. The quitting on disjunction was so bad that you couldn't really say that it had anything to do with disjunction. There is the question of why people quit so much in the first place but its hard to say that its because of the quality of the matches when quitting contributes so much to the lower quality. So I guess we'll see if matches get better with less quitting and they most likely will. At the same time I can't say that at least some of the problems don't spring from giving people that have no idea what they are doing a top tier player experience at the expense of other peoples' match quality. Now we'll all be able to see better which was having the worse overall effect.
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[quote]You all - force us into SBMM so anyone over a 1.3 k/d is forced into lobbies that are unforgiving, laggy, unfun, and full of hostile players who are also unhappy they're forced into ultra meta world championships - force us into the most unpopular, large, boring maps that don't encourage engagement and instead take more time to traverse from spawn, to the hot zones, only to die from someone far outside of your range who was posted up waiting for you - force us into staying in these unfun matches on unfun maps by banning us if we quit I'm not sure anyone working on PvP right now understands the fundamental pain points we are having, my benefit of the doubt is gone Bungie i'm sorry i have a 1.8 k/d and i'm apparently the problem in pvp for everybody but congrats, problem solved: i quit pvp, this sucks. i hope that was the solution y'all wanted! can't suspend me if i don't play.[/quote] So do we get a penalty for leaving a game in progress?
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Quitting was a huge problem. Im glad it got fixed to some extent. But it wouldve been alot better to remove the problem point... you know SBMM. The manipulative algorithm that rigs matches to force 50% W/L ratios.
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simply dont play the mode anymore. The PVP Team of bungie is not able to find good solutions. Just accept that destiny isnt a pvp game and dodge that shitty -blam!- mode.
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About time they did something to improve PvP for people who don’t leave matches. Getting teamed up with a quitter is just as annoying as bad connections. Quitters will quit or threaten to leave the game, but people like me who stopped playing because of the quitters will come back. We’re probably the group Bungie is targeting. Why try to retain people who cheapen your product when you can get loyal players who don’t leave matches back? Seems like a logical move to me. Casual playlist or not, people leaving matches makes the game worse for people who want to play the game mode.
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1 ReplySbmm doesnt work in a p2p game. If it was dedicated servers, it would be a different story.
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3 RepliesEdited by NegativeCycle: 9/14/2022 8:05:18 AMI'm also a 1.8 K/D player with over 130k kills and I hate what they've done to PvP. So much so to the point that I barely play anymore. It's sad, they have completely ruined my favorite way to play this game. I too am the problem and all I hear is "boo hoo, now you can't pub stomp....blah blah". It's not that, I want to have fun playing this game in the mode I enjoy the most. Now I'm forced into lobbies with players on the other side of the planet with laggy connections, teleporting all over the place and with multiple people armed to the teeth in full meta loadouts sweating their balls off like it's the D2 world championships.....in quick play. Now they institute quitter penalties.....in quick play? Yeah, thanks but no thanks, I'll go play something else that doesn't punish me for playing the damn game. So yeah, I guess they got what they wanted....another top 1% player just quitting the play mode all together.
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6 RepliesHave you all forgotten its a game? Quiting because youre losing or dont like the map? Seriously why play at all if these things truely take the fun out of the game for you. Its no fun for those of us trying to win and have fun when people quit early and the other team camps us. I dont like either of the new maps they are to big but, Ive waited to join a match Im not about to quit just to either wait in another Q or get popped into an already losing match you probly quit from. Play the game and stop complaining, you knew those maps were posible and sometimes better players kick you around. Get used to it the games not here for the few but for everyone.
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1 ReplyI never quit. But my experience everytime without fail is seeing the hunter in the middle of the opening scene holding the ghost with the 4.3 seasonal kda is the first to quit if the enemy team gets B and he dies a few times. Leaving the match with 3 kills 4 deaths. It happens ALL THE TIME. Quitters abused this. It's the only reason I see why Bungie did this. If only these players didn't quit so damn much to preserve their impressive KDs maybe Bungie never would of thought to make this change. Hell I don't like the change either because there will be legit reasons to leave like something happening IRL.
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Now, Bungie just needs to add team balancing. But it’s good they added a penalty. Leaving a game even if it is justified, just F’s over everyone else on your team.
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10 RepliesPeople complain about others quitting all season, now bungie add a penalty for repeatedly quitting people are saying "why would bungie do this?". I really don't see the problem.
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3 RepliesI'm happy for the change. People should get penalized for quitting, even in a casual match. If you don't like pvp to the point where you're quitting two matches in a row then it sounds like aren't having a good time anyway and you should go do something else. If life is getting in the way, then you should wait until things quiet down before playing.
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Currently the answer to everything at Bungie is "No" - dmg04
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5 RepliesYou can’t even test guns, you have too play Meta in a PVP fun Playlist and the connection is so BAD! This is not the way Bungie.
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I agreed to bungies terms and conditions. What we’re they?😂
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Yamabushi999iThe Great Light 3.0 Warlock FIRE-SALE - old
"are unforgiving, laggy, unfun, and full of hostile players who are also unhappy they're forced into ultra meta world championships" It's matchmaking loosely like for like, so the reality is YOU'RE an unforgiving, unfun, hostile, meta world championship player and now you face the same. Don't like it but we're presumably more than happy to dish that out for 3 years. The 600+ CR disparities farming cheese - and that's all it was - has closed. Too bad. Lag I have more sympathy for. But there's other modes and plenty of them, especially if you're Combat Rating (not necessarily KD) is high enough to increase that. It's been laggy in each and every mode however, even if it's worse for top fraggers. Ultimately you need more high skill players and you'll never get that if there are scant modes which aren't built around stomping the life out of beginners and those who shouldn't ever be paired. And that's relative so outlier protection CBMM is beyond naive for a solution. Elimination 3v3 alone was never the right job for that. It was a good decision or rather a much belated correction of a terrible one. -
Yea I mean I love it when at the beginning of a math it does not go the way some someone on my team wants and they quit. And then it snowballs because it’s a 5v6 and the replacement that comes in and quits, and his replacement quits. And then matchmaking says f it, it’s permanently a 5v6 now and someone else quits making it a 4v6. It’s such a great feeling.
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2 RepliesThe dumbest thing ever. Literally the dumbest thing they have done yet. How about they add something to the gamemode instead of take things away from it.
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3 RepliesYeah every time I get a ban I’m going to play another game lol
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3 RepliesAdding this without an option to not match against teams of players is insanity. Pvp will actually die from this.