Destiny is far higher on the skill bracket than the other PvP games out there. Not technically a shot for shot skill game like CS.. But… I will explain: The number of things going on in the game takes more skill to combat. You have buffs, de-buffs, kill perks, damage buffs, abilities, weapons that one tap/two tap or take far longer to kill an opponent, classes, sub-classes and supers…. Players run around and say x takes no skill… forgetting the skill it takes to combat said things. The number one issue with a any player vs player game(anything that is person vs person) is peoples egos. We are in a topic where people want easier games at the cost of other players experiences and they are bickering about it. There is absolutely nothing in this game that would allow me to beat a better player. Could I get a cheap kill on a better player? Absolutely. There are moments when higher skilled players get cheap kills on me. There is no difference. If you want to point out what is wrong with PvP, sbmm is not the issue. It is a result of the issues. One of the repeating complaints that I see about sbmm is that players say they can not “experiment” with load outs because it is a try hard mode now. That is game balance NOT sbmm. Playing against bad players so a player can “experiment” is a ridiculous scenario. Because you are actually gaining nothing per a load out that would not work against equally or better skilled players. A player can only experiment when playing worse players is not a good thing in a game. If we are to have no sbmm then the game will need overhauled to bring a better balance to the world loot pool so that ALL players can always have a place to experiment in said “casual” mode. Do you know what happens when a high skilled player is experimenting in PvP and losing their fights? They switch back to the meta. Why? Ego. What makes a players desired experience more important than any others? Ego. Why is it a player can not experiment in sbmm? Because they are losing to metas… Ie ego instead of working on their skill with a non-meta loadout against equally skilled players. That is a game issue not a match making issue. The majority of players are not overly great in this game vs the die-hards… this means the majority of players have not been enjoying this games PvP… and for all the same reasons higher skilled players are not liking sbmm in control and are complaining. At the end of the day… the population is going up, matches are going the distance, and bungie will continue to fine tune the experience as they get data back.