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Edited by Zenith:
8/11/2022 9:08:34 PM
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"Pulse Rifles with out of band effectiveness" What does this mean?
Does this only refer to top-of-class pulses, or ones that under-perform too? My prediction is that this will result in some stat nerfs to Messenger and NTTE, and possibly some outlier 540's like Piece of Mind and Horror's. Hopefully Jurassic Green gets some stat buffs cause that gun is seriously lacking.
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If it's an Archetype nerf, it will affect: High impacts Rapid Fires If it's a specific weapon nerf, it will affect: Messenger No Time To Explain Piece of Mind I find it more likely to be an Archetype nerf, since Bungie has stated they want to avoid nerfing specific weapons in each Archetype
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translation: 540 rpm pulses will have their range nerfed to shotgun levels and 340 rpm pulses will have their firerate nerfed to 240 rpm. That's what i expect from this company these days. Completely delusional and bad at balancing.
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People cry about HC meta, pulses see a little shine time, dad bod meta comes in the game. Lames cry about the dad bod meta and Bungie buffs all scouts for the camp dad meta. Now they might nerf pulses but you'll still have the camp dad meta where people are crouch spamming from spawn killing you 70m away. Unless they fully 100% separate the sandbox the idiotic devs continue to ruin their game even further on the basis of crybabies that can't accept there is remotely zero balance from top to bottom in this game. Pulses are already azz tier in pve leave them alone.
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The only outliers are 540s but Bungie is going to nerf other archetypes as well because we can't have nice things.
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4 RepliesGod forbid that something kind of meddle in the hand cannons meta… nerfs
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Edited by NotCreative123: 8/12/2022 5:29:56 PMMessenger can basically get maxed out stats. This weapon is definately going to be tuned. Piece Of Mind has higher zoom than normal, but not by much. If it's base stats are also much better than the other pulses in its archetype, it may be tuned as well. Horror's Least has worse stats than Piece of Mind, so it may be safe. No Time To Explains exotic perk is strong, but it isn't necessarily better than the other pulses in the archetype. I don't know if there will be any change here.
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I hope it doesn’t mean a nerf to the slow fire archetypes. I very much enjoy my 2 burst with messenger.
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1 ReplyThat means Piece of Mind is getting a nerf to zoom.
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8 RepliesAdept Messenger. My baby. The weapon that got me my first unassisted flawless. Rapid Hit. Kill Clip. Corkscrew. Armor Piercing. Stability Masterwork. Possibly the best feeling and operating weapon in the game after Shayura's got trashed. It's gonna be nerfed. This kinda blows.
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3 RepliesPiece of Mind, NTTE, Messenger, and Horror's Least probably, just like you said. Imo, they're all fine because the rest of the pulse rifles kind of suck in comparison. These are simply the best of the bunch of mediocre guns.
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3 RepliesPulse rifles are competing against hand cannons in end game PVP activities, and Bungie doesn’t typically like that. I’m guessing that they will nerf some high impact pulses, and a couple rapid fire ones too. Probably the messenger, no time to explain, piece of mind, and horror’s least.
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10 RepliesEdited by Spawn: 8/11/2022 11:40:02 PMWhen Bungie says "out of band", it refers to specific archetypes and that are either under or over performing for their role. There could also be outliers [i]within [/i]the band that are performing way above the others. A "Band" is considered anything from lowly world drops with poor stats all the way to up Pinnacle Persuit Weapons and Adept Weapons. As for that note in the twab, my guess is that Pulse Rilfes as a whole are covering too many bases for their role in the combat ecosystem, so they may get altered. Edit : Bungie discussed more of weapon bands in a TWAB before Witch Queen Launch here : [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/50995[/url] Another edit : I see some people bucketing in Exotic Weapons into archetypes. If you don't know, Exotic Weapons are independently tuned and are not considered "in-band" for their archetypes.
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Edited by Poncho Baggins: 8/12/2022 5:44:28 AMRapid fire pulses need some range nerfed and high impact pulse rifles are two bursting a little too easily. They will be fine after I’m sure.
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I'm not sure how they'll handle pulse rifles. High impact ones still require 83% crits for a 2 burst. No one really used them when they required 100% crits. It would be a great shame to see no one use weapon types. 540s require 89% crits for a 3 burst. I could see them make it a 100% crit needed. Given the inherent forgiveness of being a high rof weapon due to follow up burst. 450s can be the more forgiving archtype between the two, 450 pulses are probably the most balanced archtype in the game imo. Adaptive Frames just feel like their in an odd place. Not terrible but is outclassed by every other pulse rifle type.
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1 ReplyProbably just a range nerf to a few high performing pulses like the ones you mentioned. I don’t see why any of the other stats besides range would need a nerf
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Nah, im happy to admit that the messenger can easily get 99 stability (the cap) while still having plenty of range. You're locked into a void subclass and lose out on desperado, but yeah it's a long range laser with the right perks. Only counter to it and it's easy two taps, are rapid fire pulses and forerunner. Or snipers if you're quick enough. Disappointing that I'll need to find a new loadout, but it was time to swap things up again I guess lol.
