It’s perfectly fine for people to ask others to know what to do.
It’s insane to call that toxic. It’s bloody toxic to say that is toxic.
Why does every raid group have to teach someone how to do the raid?
Do groups that just want to clear quickly and get loot not exist? You people are out of your minds.
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[quote]It’s perfectly fine for people to ask others to know what to do. It’s insane to call that toxic. It’s bloody toxic to say that is toxic. Why does every raid group have to teach someone how to do the raid? Do groups that just want to clear quickly and get loot not exist? You people are out of your minds.[/quote] Downside of an entitled community....
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It’s entitled to expect others to teach you when they don’t feel like it. You couldn’t sound more selfish if you tried.
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Its entitled to expect others to spend their time for your benefit just because its beneficial for you and only you.
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I don’t expect anything from anyone. I make my own group or find one.
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Then you're not the entitled individuals I was referring to...
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lol no its not, when the raid is literally brand new. Everyone right now is learning the raid, and even those with completions are making plenty of mistakes along the way. No it seems those like you simply have 0 patience, and often arent good at raids yourself. I've done hundreds of raid completions...all blind. Not everyone needs a video to learn a raid, some are good enough to jump in and just learn as they go or be told what to do and be just fine.
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Edited by Sohsuh: 3/7/2022 4:48:10 PMMaking mistakes on encounters you have spent hours on is completely different to fully explaining the encounter to someone who has never stepped foot in the raid. It’s not toxic to want a player that’s at least seen and done some of the raid before. Not everyone wants to teach new people, which is perfectly fine. Nobody has to teach someone a raid and they shouldn’t be called toxic for it. It’s pathetic that anyone can call that toxic.
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"Making mistakes on encounters you have spent hours on is completely different to fully explaining the encounter to someone who has never stepped foot in the raid." In a raid that literally JUST CAME OUT. Theres 0 difference there, and in fact you just proved my point as to why what you're asking for makes no sense. If you spent hours in a raid and you're still making those same mistakes yourself, you CANNOT expect someone else whos never done the raid to simply be able to watch a video and KWTD....you have to actually go in and play through it yourself to get better and eventually know what your doing.
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Edited by Sohsuh: 3/7/2022 4:55:29 PM1 group is running the encounter, which is a big part of getting it done. Doing it over and over. Having to teach someone the encounter is completely different from that, and breaks up the flow. You have to be incredibly daft to think those are the same things. Make your own group and stop crying. Seriously. Everyone else finds a group yet you little babies for some reason have to cry about everything.
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You're literally trying to say its too difficult to tell someone where to stand and what to shoot at/look for. So once again you're saying its toxic because you expect every to KWTD by simply watching a video, but never actually physically playing through the raid itself. You dont read a manual and suddenly now how to fly a plane, you have someone there with you explaining things to you as it goes, because you're not going to know what to do or how to react to something when you've never done it....
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I didn’t say anything about difficulty. People can form their group however they want without being scrutinized by people. Who the hell are you to tell someone else how they should form their group and spend their free time? You’re out of your mind.
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Edited by Rinzler: 3/7/2022 5:10:44 PM@Cybermatik_0999 "1 group is running the encounter, which is a big part of getting it done. Doing it over and over. Having to teach someone the encounter is completely different from that, and breaks up the flow." Then why would you say it breaks up the flow? As in it takes slightly longer, or you just dont want to be bothered to explain a part of an encounter once or twice? That same group still had to actually play through the raid before knowing what to do and how to respond accordingly.
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Time is valuable, and not everyone feels like teaching someone an encounter if they don’t have to. There’s absolutely nothing toxic about that in any way whatsoever. It is toxic however to expect that group to teach people, and it is most definitely toxic to call them toxic if they don’t want to. Think about that for a moment. You’re calling people toxic who are forming their group in their own way, simply because you disagree with how they’re forming their group. You think that entitles you to insult them? Grow up.
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Edited by Rinzler: 3/7/2022 5:20:34 PMThats still doesnt matter, its literally impossible to not have to teach or explain something to someone when they've quite literally never done a raid. Even if you yourself watched a video 30 times but never did the raid its explaining, your gonna have to go into the raid and still actually experience it firsthand to understand the raid... Fyi I've yet to actually say anything insulting to you, so maybe take your own advice and grow up. I dont care if you cant seem to come up with an argument that justifies how you treat others who've never done something.
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The only people treating others poorly are those calling people toxic for not wanting to teach a raid.
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You yourself are treating others poorly for not knowing what to do in something they haven't actually done yet. Get a clue.
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In what way am I treating others poorly? Do you think jobs treat people poorly when they don't hire someone who has no experience? Are you actually this clueless?
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[quote]It’s perfectly fine for people to ask others to know what to do. It’s insane to call that toxic. It’s bloody toxic to say that is toxic. Why does every raid group have to teach someone how to do the raid? Do groups that just want to clear quickly and get loot not exist? You people are out of your minds.[/quote] Yeah I agree with your point of view, but it does in fact come off very snobby since the raid has literally JUST been released.
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Edited by Sohsuh: 3/7/2022 5:43:02 PMWhich is why needing people with experience is all the more important. It's a brand new raid and it's contest mode. Wanting people who have been in there and doing the encounters gives you a much better chance at completing it ON CHALLENGE MODE than grabbing someone who has never been in there and didn't even put any effort into getting their own day 1 group to begin with. How the -blam!- is that snobbish? It's called valuing your own time and you're free to form your own group without being -blam!- insulted. What the hell is wrong with you people? You call people snobs and say they're toxic because they're running THEIR OWN GROUP how they want, and you don't like how they're doing it?