There is no god, and even if there were, it is capable of immense power yet fails to use it for good. I hate it because it's a morally corrupt being. There is also no evidence leading me to believe otherwise.
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[quote]There is no god.[/quote] You say that like you have proof.
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A divine being is a theory. You can't disprove a theory, but some theories are more valid than others. And there's no universal proof of God's existence, if he said "God exists, that's a fact" then the burden of proof is on him.
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My point is that one cannot prove nor disprove his existence. And thats the point. Its the power of belief.
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We don't know if it's a he, she or it, or if it is.
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[quote][quote]There is no god.[/quote] You say that like you have proof.[/quote]If logical contradictions inherent in the definition of God count as proof... There is no Christian God in the same way there is no eight-sided square. You can modify the fiction of Yahweh down into a feasible, hypothetical being, such as the "god" presented in Futurama, but that would fall more in line with the definition of "a god," not "the God."
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If there is a Supreme Being, well, [i]They[/i] decide what is right and what is wrong. If you think that something is wrong when They think it's right...you're wrong.
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[quote]There is no god, and even if there were, it is capable of immense power yet fails to use it for good. I hate it because it's a morally corrupt being.[/quote] It's embarrassing how difficult it is for humanity to accept responsibility for its own actions.
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Edited by Seggi: 1/16/2013 8:03:16 AMOur actions don't cause natural disasters and vicious diseases (mostly), though.
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You're right, and without studying religions like Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, it's easy to point the finger at natural disasters, famine, disease, etc. as God being lazy, uncaring, or downright evil. After all, His act of creation, whatever form that took, is directly the cause of all of those things. However, someone that has looked into how those faiths respond to such sentiments would understand that God has already set in motion a plan to ultimately end suffering and save humanity. That's pretty incredible, if you ask me. An atheist will say it's unlikely (from our very limited perspective) that an omnipotent being would care for such trivial things like a single species on a single planet out of trillions, but then also say God is wrong for not stopping natural disasters. Either God cares, or He doesn't, it can't be both ways. Theologians also tend to consider strife as a way to build us up, both individually and as a species or nation.
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It's rather inefficient.
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[quote][quote]There is no god, and even if there were, it is capable of immense power yet fails to use it for good. I hate it because it's a morally corrupt being.[/quote] It's embarrassing how difficult it is for humanity to accept responsibility for its own actions.[/quote] Very well said.
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Edited by Coyote Ugly 1995: 1/16/2013 3:33:59 AM[quote]It's embarrassing how difficult it is for humanity to accept responsibility for its own actions.[/quote]It always a pleasure when people talk down to others without presenting an actual argument. A true all-powerful God directly contradicts free wills of lesser beings: all wills are, by definition, slaves to the hegemony of his. As creator of existence, God has not only formed all conscious beings, but also all sensations that every conscious being experiences. As one of infinite knowledge, he knows everyone's reactions to the stimuli he forces upon them. He has the power to end all suffering by virtue of his omnipotence. The very existence of suffering, then, regardless of cause, is ultimately, indisputably, God's doing. This contradicts the claim of omnibenevolence, and out the window that aspect goes. There are similar fallacies inherent in his other defining traits, if you want me to point them out to the best of my ability.
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[quote][quote]It's embarrassing how difficult it is for humanity to accept responsibility for its own actions.[/quote]It always a pleasure when people talk down to others without presenting an actual argument. A true all-powerful God directly contradicts free wills of lesser beings: all wills are, by definition, slaves to the hegemony of his. As creator of existence, God has not only formed all conscious beings, but also all sensations that every conscious being experiences. As one of infinite knowledge, he knows everyone's reactions to the stimuli he forces upon them. He has the power to end all suffering by virtue of his omnipotence. The very existence of suffering, then, regardless of cause, is ultimately, indisputably, God's doing. This contradicts the claim of omnibenevolence, and out the window that aspect goes.[/quote] No one ever accomplished anything by being comfortable and complacent. In other words, we learn and grow by means of hardship and overcoming trials (or failing at them). Perhaps, if there is indeed a God, his intention is to have us grow as conscious beings through the very existence of suffering.
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Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 1/16/2013 4:01:40 AM[quote][quote]It's embarrassing how difficult it is for humanity to accept responsibility for its own actions.[/quote]It always a pleasure when people talk down to others without presenting an actual argument. A true all-powerful God directly contradicts free wills of lesser beings: all wills are, by definition, slaves to the hegemony of his. As creator of existence, God has not only formed all conscious beings, but also all sensations that every conscious being experiences. As one of infinite knowledge, he knows everyone's reactions to the stimuli he forces upon them. He has the power to end all suffering by virtue of his omnipotence. The very existence of suffering, then, regardless of cause, is ultimately, indisputably, God's doing. This contradicts the claim of omnibenevolence, and out the window that aspect goes. .[/quote] We suffer in this world so that we will rejoice in the next. All three Abrahamic religions talk about an ultimate end to suffering, so if that's what your main point is, it's pretty null and void. I recommend you read the link I attached; it explains it more eloquently than I can. "So, if we want God to stop evil and suffering, then He must stop all of it. We have no problem with this when it means stopping a catastrophe, or a murder, or a [sexual assault]. But what about when someone thinks of something evil? Evil is destructive whether it is acted out or not. Hatred and bigotry in someone’s heart is wrong. If it is wrong, and if God is to stop all evil, then He must stop that person from thinking his own thoughts. To do that, God must remove his freedom of thought. Furthermore, which person on the earth has not thought something evil? God would be required, then, to stop all people from exercising their free will. This is something God has chosen not to do. Therefore, we could say that one of the reasons that God permits evil and suffering is because of man’s free will."
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How does God fail to use it for good? You're just ungrateful.
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So, so many starving, innocent african children. I'd say that's failing to use his omnipotence for good.
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That has to do with greedy dictators. God gave plenty of nourishment to the Earth but the wrong people control it all. The world has enough food to feed 3 planets but it's all being controlled by thugs. You gonna blame God for that? Something bad happens they blame God, something good happens they thank him temporarily and the next second they forget. What the hell?
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Something bad happens, it's humanities fault. Someone good happens, it's God. What the hell? So God, a supposedly good guy, is sitting back and letting innocent children starve to death and suffer a lonely death due to other people? I don't know about you, but if any decent person saw an old lady getting attacked, they'd defend her, and not watch because other people are to blame. Also, a few muslims in my chemistry class today said a swear gets you 40 years in hell to me. 40 years in hell for a word is hardly something a good God would come up with.
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Swearing does not give you 40 years in Hell. They are retarded. The religion does tell you to try to speak in a decent tone though.
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A swear does not get you 40 years in hell..... *facepalm* Maybe you should try reading the Bible for yourself instead of going off of what other people tell you it says.
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If God did everything for us we could expect to much of it.
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[quote]If God did everything for us we could expect to much of it.[/quote]Not if he's omnipotent. If God did everything for us, he would be able to make us not expect too much of it.
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What about when he failed?
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Fail at what?
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Let one little thing go by, I don't know what, but one thing would suddenly leave everyone in doubt.