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  • Who would be those "some"?

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  • Malphur for example

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  • But he did. As a baby. Read the confessions of hope, in the ghost stories lorebook.

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  • not confirmed

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  • Okay, but do you really think that the kid malphur just had more light than any other non-guardian because?

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  • Edited by RePlayGoPlay: 3/26/2021 2:20:48 PM
    dude , it's bungie , I don't know anything , the writers eat mushrooms and smoke weed there are many holes in their plot

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  • So, we have the evidence to why he has more light, but we will just go with "its bungie"?

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  • yes , I don't work at Bungie ,idk what stories they have in mind all I know is this whole universe is another "Tolkien" kind of story

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  • [we have no confirmation of that, plus the fact that the ghost was leading the people to the city implies that it is in fact safe and not under constant threat of fallen raids, whereas in the journal entries of Malphur himself make note of how the people in his home didn’t want to go to the city because the journey was too perilous and the city itself was too dangerous.]

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  • Thing is, why would kid malphur just had more light than any other non-guardian being?

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  • [we don’t understand how the light works, there’s a good chance we never will because it’s a paracausal force that doesn’t obey any sort of logic a causal (or mortal of you wanna dumb it down) brain can comprehend. So for all we know some unique people like Shin Malphur who are a one in a million and born with the fire of the light already burning inside them, or he could’ve temporarily died during birth and been resurrected by the doctors but in that time the spark of light entered his body. But I heavily doubt that Malphur and the risen child are one in the same because the child’s group was headed for the city while in Malphur’s journal the entirety of his hometown didn’t want to make the journey to the city because of the danger on the way and the fact that the city itself was not yet safe. If they are one in the same those two factors are extremely contradictory for the same group who continued to the city after the ghost that showed them the way sacrificed itself so they and the child it brought back to life could live in safety.]

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  • The thing is, the ghost was leading them to the city. But the ghost died. Who knows where the family went after that. To the city? To palamon? To torobatl?

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  • [I still think that there would’ve been more people in Palamon who would want to go to the city if that group with the child included shin’s parents and they all were headed there anyway. Plus why would they stay in a place like that if they were already told by something that could clearly save the dead in some cases that there was a safe city that didn’t have to worry about the fallen like Palamon did?]

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  • How could they? I may be mistaken, but wasnt jaren ward the first guardian that appeared in palamon? That could mean that not even a ghost appeared in palamon. If neither of those were there, how could they know where the city was?

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  • [quote]How could they? I may be mistaken, but wasnt jaren ward the first guardian that appeared in palamon?[/quote] [The fallen aren’t paracausal beings, they can bleed and die just like any other naturally born organic being. Palamon had a Militia defending it, issue is that the fallen are nearly endless and Palamon likely needed to rely on whoever stumbled into town for ammo.] [quote]That could mean that not even a ghost appeared in palamon. If neither of those were there, how could they know where the city was?[/quote] [for Palamon’s case, people who went through town may have told about how they’re headed to a city relatively safe from the horrors of the fallen and with an army of immortal beings protecting it. This is likely because in the early days of the city most refugees had to make the journey without escort from the risen, just directions from their ghosts. For the group with the child, they had a ghost leading them, that had even pointed them in the right direction before it sacrificed itself so the group and child could live. Whether or not they made it inside the city walls after that, or even anywhere close to Palamon, is unknown.]

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  • Now, thats a fair point. But considering that the child parents were already scared and have seen the horrors of the fallen, they might just "nah, we are good here". And do we have any saying about guardians taking civilians to the city?

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  • [quote]But considering that the child parents were already scared and have seen the horrors of the fallen, they might just "nah, we are good here".[/quote] [well the child’s parents died at the end of the lore entries, so maybe his group thought that. But, also they might’ve tried to convince locals in towns they stopped at to go to the city with them.] [quote]And do we have any saying about guardians taking civilians to the city?[/quote] [only after events like the battle of six fronts and twilight gap, roughly the start of the city age. Prior to that we actually have a few lore entries of warlords actively stopping people from going to the city, whether or not those people were the ones they claimed lordship over.]

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  • While thats true, if a bunch of people told you "a little spherical thing with one eye told me that there is a city protected by imortal beings below their god." While you never saw or heard any of that before, would you believe them?

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  • [Well no, but I also wouldn’t let them stay in my town, I’d just chase them out so that a cult didn’t start or grow in my town. There is one factor we haven’t considered though, and that’s the timing of when dregden yor burned Palamon to the ground. Because after that, the survivors we know of (who were out with Jaren Ward hunting or something), didn’t stay to rebuild palamon, they went with Jaren to seek revenge for those Yor killed. So, another possibility that we haven’t addressed and I’m shocked I’m just now thinking of it, is that the group of the confessions of hope lore entries weren’t just refugees descended from nomads who survived the collapse, but refugees who were seeking safety after they narrowly escaped Yor’s merciless destruction of Palamon, their home.]

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  • Hmmm. Do you think thats a possibility? The lore books dont mention anything about jaren ward, or any guardian, since the ghost was something they thought was an angel. The name of the ghost also dont mix, since the name of the ghost in confession of hope isnt the same as jaren ward's. And th group disbanded after jaren died, not killed by dregs, considering that jaren could end their lives.

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  • [quote]Hmmm. Do you think thats a possibility?[/quote] [absolutely, because the ones with Jaren didn’t look for survivors when they came back to the ruins of palamon, they made a pact to kill yor.] [quote]The lore books dont mention anything about jaren ward, or any guardian, since the ghost was something they thought was an angel.[/quote] [Considering it was told from the perspective of the ghost, they may have kept any mentions about that stuff from the refugees out, as a light bearer rolling into a town and not long after the town is destroyed doesn’t exactly look good. Also the refugees might have seen some of their loved ones die in Palamon, and might be so traumatized from that that they are having a near impossible time processing it.] [quote]The name of the ghost also dont mix, since the name of the ghost in confession of hope isnt the same as jaren ward's.[/quote] [I never said the ghost in confessions of hope was Jaren Ward’s, just that they may have been refugees from palamon.] [quote]And th group disbanded after jaren died, not killed by dregs, considering that jaren could end their lives.[/quote] [I think you mean Yor, the one they were hunting. and not all of them abandoned it, since that purpose kept shin going well into his adult life, when Jaren’s ghost finally came to him with the last word, and made shin her new guardian.]

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  • Eh. Lets call it a draw. I believe the confessions of hope child is shin, and you dont. Lets agree to disagree, shall we?

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  • [that works for me]

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