Old ttk: 6 crit 2 body for a 0.93 ttk. 60/450 × (8-1) = 0.9333. New ttk: 6 crit 2 body for a 0.84 60/500 x (8-1) = 0.84 Reasoning: As a hierarchy for auto rifles, archetypes should have a slower ttk in favor of range. With 450s, they offered a little more range than 600s, but drastically slower ttk and overall dps to the point where any that becomes a reward is essentially junk. A weapon that kills slower than pulses with less range is AWFUL. By improving their rpm, we directly tackle one of their biggest problems while still leaving room for tuning. The reason why I don't ask for a damage buff instead of an rpm buff is because increasing their damage too much will have them replace 600s. 1 less bullet in PvP means a 32 meter weapon killing at 0.80 which is NOT what I want because that's a direct replacement of 600s 8 crit and 1 body for a 0.80. If you are skeptical about the value of them being changed to 500s...just know I was one of the people in the early stages of forsaken who thought changing 110s into 120s was the right thing to do and look at the game now (I didn't ask them to give them 40 damn meters though). My point is, a SMALL change in rpm can make some weapons go from bottom of a tier liest to at least mid tier on just that alone. 450s as a base weapon are actually really solid. They have good range, good recoil control and dish out solid flinch. But their lackluster ttk shrouds these good points and makes them look insignificant. By them improving it's weakest aspect, it's better qualities come into play more often and can be taken advantage of much more. My example is, again, 120s. They have always had ridiculously high damage, obnoxious flinch and the ability to kill long outside of their intended range (they've got around 23 points of damage to still secure a 3 tap). With a boost in range, their ability to secure these shots became more consistent, but with an rpm improvement they now ALSO do it faster. Faster means better teamshotting, better 1v1 duels, better forgiveness for missed shots (which is important on slow firing weapons) and better flinch stacking. Hopefully you guys understand the point I'm trying to make. I do realize on paper this may look pretty insignificant so I can understand not being convinced this will help, but I can assure you they will AT THE VERY LEAST, no longer be a weapon that feels worthless in pvp.