[quote]Well that gives them 7 days to develop, test and release a new means of acquiring Felwinters - not going to happen by next IB starting on 8 Dec... BUT I think they will add it to the Monument/Archive at some point in the near-ish future, due to the attention this is getting[/quote] Doubt it. The kiosk isn’t for that gun. It’s for the guns that are in it.

They can add or remove any gun they like to the "kiosk". Point of the Stag is in, which was a Quest based seasonal Iron Banner weapon, like Felwinters Lie is

[quote]They can add or remove any gun they like to the "kiosk". Point of the Stag is in, which was a Quest based seasonal Iron Banner weapon, like Felwinters Lie is[/quote] Point of the Stag was an Iron Banner (which isn’t seasonal) pinnacle weapon added the season before they retired the concept of seasonal weapons.

Point of the Stag was seasonal, it was delayed from one season and introduced as a specific quest in the next,via Iron Banner activities. It does not drop via IB matches or tokens, the past seasonal quest was the only way to acquire it until they put it in the Monument to Lost Light Archive! So they could add Felwinters to the Monument Archive anytime they wanted... You seem to be a very contrary individual who argues with people for the sake of it

[quote]Point of the Stag was seasonal, it was delayed from one season and introduced as a specific quest in the next,via Iron Banner activities. It does not drop via IB matches or tokens, the past seasonal quest was the only way to acquire it until they put it in the Monument to Lost Light Archive! So they could add Felwinters to the Monument Archive anytime they wanted... You seem to be a very contrary individual who argues with people for the sake of it[/quote] Not really I’m just aware that point of the stag was a pinnacle weapon, Fellwinters was not, and I’m telling you. They can add any gear they want at anytime they want to, but they have outlined the criteria and Fellwinters doesn’t meet it. If they were to put it in the Kiosk they would undermine their own seasonal model, and devalue seasons going forward. Why would they do that because a tiny % of the playerbase is under a delusion that they will become better at crucible if only they have one weapon they didn’t earn?

Stag v's Felwinters: Iron Banner Detail: BOTH Masterworked: BOTH Fixed Roll: BOTH Quest Based: BOTH Past Seaons: BOTH Quest Still Available: NEITHER So please explain what atributes you are basing this "Pinnacle" property on. Tell me exactly why you think Stag is Pinnacle but Felwinters is not... Because there is no difference and no reason Felwinters could not be added to the Monument Archive anytime Bungie decided to

[quote]Stag v's Felwinters: Iron Banner Detail: BOTH Masterworked: BOTH Fixed Roll: BOTH Quest Based: BOTH Past Seaons: BOTH Quest Still Available: NEITHER So please explain what atributes you are basing this "Pinnacle" property on. Tell me exactly why you think Stag is Pinnacle but Felwinters is not... Because there is no difference and no reason Felwinters could not be added to the Monument Archive anytime Bungie decided to[/quote] Stag was the first and only Iron Banner pinnacle weapon. That was it’s designation by Bungie the season it was released. It was the last season they did pinnacle weapons before changing to ritual weapons so the quest was removed. Iron Banner is not tied to seasons. Fellwinters was a reward for participating in a seasonal community event. It was tied to that season. It was not a part of Iron Banner in any way.

[quote]Iron Banner is not tied to seasons [/quote] 100% WRONG. The Armor design, potential rewards and opening quest have all been set for a season, and changed for the next And Felwinter's Lie IS an Iron Banner weapon as I have told you repeatedly. It has the IB colour scheme, and embossed emblem and orginates from Iron banner in Destiny 1, year 1 (Dark Below)

[quote][quote]Iron Banner is not tied to seasons [/quote] 100% WRONG. The Armor design, potential rewards ad opening quest have all been set for a season, and changed for the next And Felwinter's Lie IS an Iron Banner weapon as I have told you repeatedly. It has the IB colour scheme, and embossed emblem and orginates from Iron banner in Destiny 1, year 1 (Dark Below)[/quote] Really? Is that why Iron Banner has been active every season and is listed as part of the base game and not as seasonal content or expansion content by Bungie? Why do you think it’s origin in D1 has anything to do with its origin in D2? It didn’t come from Iron Banner. It came from a seasonal community event tied to the season of the worthy, not Iron Banner. It’s fun to see what crazy logic hoops you’ll jump through to try and justify this false connection you made, but D2 Fellwinters didnt come from Iron Banner and Iron Banner isn’t seasonal content.

You argue for the sake of it using your own overly narrow subjective judgments. I guess you are on the spectrum... A Season in Destiny is roughly 3 months and replaces the old DLC concept. Iron Banner is very much tied to the Season, as I already supported with facts. The armor design and available weapons are set for a season and changed for the next. In the recent past each season in IB has begun with a quest that differs from the previous season, to unlock cashing in tokens [b]for that character in that season[/b]. Again, Felwinters Lie is an Iron Banner weapon by design and origin. That's why it has the Iron Banner color scheme and an IB Emblem embossed on it. Only someone with an overly literal narrow minded perspective would argue it has no connection to Iron banner when anyone who has it can look at it and see the evidence...

[quote]You argue for the sake of it using your own overly narrow subjective judgments. I guess you are on the spectrum... A Season in Destiny is roughly 3 months and replaces the old DLC concept. Iron Banner is very much tied to the Season, as I already supported with facts. The armor design and available weapons are set for a season and changed for the next. In the recent past each season in IB has begun with a quest that differs from the previous season, to unlock cashing in tokens [b]for that character in that season[/b]. Again, Felwinters Lie is an Iron Banner weapon by design and origin. That's why it has the Iron Banner color scheme and an IB Emblem embossed on it. Only someone with an overly literal narrow minded perspective would argue it has no connection to Iron banner when anyone who has it can look at it and see the evidence...[/quote] 🤣🤣🤣🤣 name calling? Good one, but I don’t consider people who are on the spectrum to be lesser to others. Sort out your issues. I guess that’s how some children win an argument, but what I am stating [i]objective[/i] facts. You can’t support your claim that Iron Banner is tied to a season because it’s not seasonal content. It is just base game content. There are seasonal quests to promote players returning to the event, but that doesn’t make it seasonal content. You don’t have to purchase a season to play it. It’s really that simple. It’s not an Iron Banner reward. It did not come from Iron Banner. The only way to obtain it was a seasonal community event quest. A weapons visual design has nothing to do with its origin in D2. A weapons D1 origin has nothing to do with its origin in D2. I know they reskinned D1 content for nostalgia purposes, but I could easily be called “Saints Toy” have an Osiris eye stamped on it and it still didn’t come from Trials. You want to make connections that are objectively not there and assign terms that don’t apply because you want to justify your prediction. I can understand that, but I don’t accept false premises. It’s okay to just speculate it will come back without trying to create a false narrative to support it. Just say you think they will and that’s it.

I get it. From your own narrow and overly literal perspective, you think only content granted by a Season Pass is "tied to the season". You are wrong, the season is a named and themed period of time in the game with related quests and events (some of which are free). IB has armor and weapons that change season-by-season. You'd have to have Rain-Man levels of rigid thinking to argue that is not tied to the season when it literally changes each season... And in the same overly literal way you think that because the Quest for Felwinter's in D2 did not come from Iron Banner that means it isn't an IB weapon. You literally said it has no connection to IB when that is demonstrably false based on it's design which has an IB emblem embossed on it in at least 3 locations. And it comes in Iron Banner themed Green and Gold! You think in rigid, overly literal ways and ignore facts that don't suit your narrow perspective. Pointless arguing with you.

[quote]I get it. From your own narrow and overly literal perspective, you think only content granted by a Season Pass is "tied to the season". You are wrong, the season is a named and themed period of time in the game with related quests and events (some of which are free). IB has armor and weapons that change season-by-season. You'd have to have Rain-Man levels of rigid thinking to argue that is not tied to the season when it literally changes each season... And in the same overly literal way you think that because the Quest for Felwinter's in D2 did not come from Iron Banner that means it isn't an IB weapon. You literally said it has no connection to IB when that is demonstrably false based on it's design which has an IB emblem embossed on it in at least 3 locations. And it comes in Iron Banner themed Green and Gold! You think in rigid, overly literal ways and ignore facts that don't suit your narrow perspective. Pointless arguing with you.[/quote] No such thing as “overly literal”, just literal and what I am saying are literal objective facts. Those contradict your false narrative. So just admit you’re speculating and stop trying to hard to justify they with things that aren’t literal facts. You’re correct it’s pointless to try and argue with me if your goal is to win, and you’re just going to use your personal interpretation as your evidence instead of the objective facts in the game and terms given to them by Bungie.

You think you are only dealing with objective facts but you ignore all opposing facts. You shifted from arguing IB events were not "tied to the season" when they demonstrably are, to whether it was literally paid Seasonal Content because you knew you were wrong but couldn't admit it. A Season is more than just the paid content within it. Free events within the seasonal timeframe are tied to it when they are either unique to that season, or change relative to the previous season for the duration. Same for Felwinters which you said had "no connection" to Iron Banner then shifted to focusing on a narrow definition of it's source in D2 and have ignored the opposing facts about it's design being 100% Iron Banner themed