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10/9/2020 6:57:42 PM
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[quote]Why is the world here perpetually ending? Can we go one week without an apocalypse?[/quote]
~The Bard
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As I've figured out my manners and etiquette are only useful in real life and the people who are worth courting(not THAT. the other kind like trying to enlist someone in a partnership), Imma just say this straight. Bucko, you be acting mad sus like a certain person, and if you've been here before, you probably should have figured out by now that Offtopic is chaos in it's greatest form. And some choose to follow the rules, some don't. In response to your cute little thing about how some people are world ending threats by themselves, a good example is my good associate, and if I may, friend Sylver. (OP is too, and he does awesome with world ending threats, but we're not speaking to each other very much at the moment.) Sylver and I are a part of a group called The Grey Lords. He is a 20/20 on the power scale. He can tank everything in Offtopic and wipe the city from reality easily. Want to know the cool part? He JUST DOESN'T DO ANYTHING, because if he takes a side, the other side has no chance of stopping him! That's the part of being a Grey Lord, and managing such power! Simply don't take a side.
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[quote]Ah right, forgot about Sylver. Though I’d say he’s 30/10 for power scale. At least compared to the average RP member. This was mostly a theoretical complaint plus I was annoyed at the time by my Father’s Wife who had called me several times and left voicemails which I deleted after listening to.[/quote] ~The Bard
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So we're supposed to care about your IRL problems while you act like an idiot on here?
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[quote]No. Frankly I could care less what you think about me here, but in any case this whole argument is pointless as it’s just a difference of perspective and definitions, which devolved into everyone repeating the same thing until someone gave up. Or attempted an insult.[/quote] ~The Bard
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I think it's actually been a bit since there was a world ending threat.
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[quote]There was one last week. Or an attempt at one. And the week before. Not to mention several characters physically [i]are[/i] world threats simply by existing. Kinda hard to have any real threat that isn’t nonsensical with how powerful people make themselves. The world is always one angsty demigod away from destruction pretty much constantly, since everyone is so preoccupied with whether or not they can do something they don’t ask if they should.[/quote] ~The Bard
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I feel called out.
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Yeah, mine was only in my own realm which is separate from offtopic.
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[quote]Considering you turned that into a story post, it’s questionable if that even counts for what I’m saying. All I’d really like to see from he ORP community here is some consistency for how A: Magic works, and B: Limits to how powerful a character can end up. Demigod level characters running around all over the place Makes the place feel like the Greek pantheon went to war with every other pantheon ever to exist. I’m just waiting for Jehova to appear at this point.[/quote] ~The Bard
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I don't recall, but I've also been busy with my own thing. The only two that stand out are Acro and Alignments things, neither of which seemed like world ender level threats to me.
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[quote]End of the world would be fine (weird sentence), but since we have a veritable pantheon of Gods directly involving themselves it looses its meaning and interest for anyone not directly involved in a character. The main issue is that we have no agreed upon ruleset for character limits, in D&D terms, the level cap seems to be endless, allowing as many levels as a person feels like and no rules for how magic is handled. Imagine what would happen if in D&D every character had 1d20+9999 HP, infinite level 9 fireballs and immunity to whatever they feel like. All at level 1. That’s basically what’s happened here, since the limit is ‘no godmodding’ which can be interpreted as loosely or as tightly as someone wants. Certainly rules apply restrictions but when restricted you need to be more creative which allows for more interesting growth as both characters and writers. Keep the end of the world a special thing. we also should make some sort of ruleset for the ORP that way people hosting RP events know the exact limits to everyone’s potential abilities and can challenge them fairly, instead of just having OP monsters every time, stuff like a limit to how much you can do per turn, a limit to the number of creatures you can affect at one time, a limit to how strong/smart/fast you can be without magical assistance, a limit to how many spells you can use per RP, stuff that normal things have.[/quote] ~The Bard
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Edited by Speaker: 10/11/2020 3:42:19 PMSo I tried this exact thing, and worked to get others on board; but it was dead on arrival. take it from me, trying to impose any sense of order on this chaos is doomed to fail. If you comment in an RP your perceived power level is automatically forfeit to the DM; that includes fellow DM's who want to join in the roleplay; in Offtopic. Hey! THAT SHOULD BE A COMMANDMENT... or did I write that one already? *thinks hard* As for social Contracts... well we have one, It hasn't been deemed the official list, but its my contribution to the continued stability of our house of cards. If I could just find the damn post. *rustles around in bag AHH! HERE IT IS! [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/255207617?page=0][b]SPEAKERS RP COMMANDMENTS!™[/b][/url]
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[quote]Oi! Shoo, this argument is two days old now. Let the dead stay that way as the Internet continues its endless march onwards.[/quote] ~The Bard
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pff fine then...
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[quote]If you want to continue this make a new post so that way we don’t have a 2 day old post needlessly revived. [/quote] ~The Bard, who dislikes arguments that last for longer than a day at most.
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Why is it that everytime I read something like this it's coming from a casual observer that is hardly ever here and never actually participates? Bonus points if you're also from the Dojo golden days.
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[quote]I mean, it’s just a basic fundamental of RP and general storytelling. Set rules and follow them, never break the internal rules unless ya unavoidable. If you start ignoring this suddenly nothing matters because there’s no tension for the narrative. You say you see this from people who don’t interact with the RP often, I wonder why, maybe they want to join in but don’t want to bother with a system that barely exists. I do find that amusing though, that you can hear the same complaints and never do anything. Ignoring one such occasion is fine but when there are alleged multiple sources perhaps something needs to change so that more people can enjoy the RP with you. Though, your response lacks any argument against what I said, instead implying that since I’m out of the in-group I have no place to criticise the system currently in place[/quote] ~The Bard
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Honestly? Yeah, I think you should actually have participated to judge, because you obviously don't know as much as you think you do. For example, your massive exaggeration of the power level here. You act like everyone can blow up starships with their minds, but that is not at all the case. Listen dude, D&D is my absolute favorite hobby and I use 5e for all of my stuff here. I was also one of the more vocal people speaking out against God Modding last year. I've been DMing an event here since August and most folks just... shoot their guns at the enemies. Or do melee with their melee weapons. There are actually not that many magic users, and the ones there are mostly save their big spells for certain scenarios...kinda like Spell Slots! I'd put most folks between 1 and 5 honestly, with a few outliers higher up. I also struggle to come up with more than a handful of folks I'd consider the actual deities of the Pantheon aswell. Active ones anyway. A lot of your other points are just... personal preference really. Lack of magic consistency, storytelling, yadda yadda. I could go on, but I'd rather just ask one simple question: Maybe your standards are just too high?
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[quote]Wait... okay. I see where I made my mistakes here. I should clarify three additional things: First, this is not an issue I see happening now, it’s something that I see may become an issue in the future. I’m someone who likes to be prepared for whatever may happen so I developed several systems I use constantly for everything I do. Second: Yes I have standards that are absurd. It’s to prevent me from claiming I’m perfect because no matter how well I do something I know what to improve, assuming everyone understands this mentality was another issue with my statements. I’ve only just started teaching, and I’ve got a lot to learn about how to phrase things in ways people understand it seems. Life is about learning, especially when you’re supposed to be the one teaching. Third: As for personal preference, I should have attempted to leave that out more than I did. That broke the first rule I have for debating, be as objective as possible. I will stand behind my statements, because while they are flawed, they are representative of my thought process and will be important to look back on to develop further. I’m not the type of person to apologise for saying something in the wrong way, so I won’t. I’ll just say that I do see now I need to word things more cohesively next time I debate someone online, since my tone when typing appears to be more aggressive than I intend. Good day, eventually we will be dead and these walls of text we make here will be all that remain, assuming Bungie outlives us.[/quote] ~The Bard, still bad at typing out argumentative things.
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Personally, I've found that it's easier to just roll all the dice myself than to have everyone adapt to a new system. It balances the standard sword and board warrior with the sci fi robots aswell.
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[quote]Thats kinda the point I was going for. Oh well. Seems my attempt was foiled by bad comms. And likely some annoyance at receiving a call from my Father’s wife earlier today.[/quote] ~The Bard, deleting voicemails.
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Trying to do something doesn’t turn out well. Several folk, including Nil, have tried. The simple fact is, this is a free RP system. Anyone at any time can jump in and decide to be a DM. There’s nothing you can do to add rules to such a system—not without some sort of moderation authority, which we obviously can’t dole out. We can set rules for individual RPs, but rules that apply to the forum in general, simply put, don’t work.
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[quote][quote]The simple fact is, this is a free RP system. Anyone at any time can jump in and decide to be a DM. There’s nothing you can do to add rules to such a system—not without some sort of moderation authority, which we obviously can’t dole out.[/quote] Its a free RP system, so make a social contract with the other current GMs. Form a group that has he same guidelines, same format, and same system for actions. Does it really matter if another person pops up and tries being a GM? Not really, if they see what you’re doing as the standard they are likely going to try the same thing, since it works why make a new one. It honestly sounds like you guys have never faced anything more difficult than schooling. Change is a slow, methodical process. If you rush it, then yes it falls apart, but you need to be slow. I’m not saying do it now, I’m saying start it now so in the future when some newbie shows up and wants to be a GM he can see the standard you set and meet it. There are what, 6 active GMs with two extra inactive ones, and you already have the first shared link: Characters, and a pre-existing world, just add one layer at a time. Next maybe add a specific way of doing combat, then work together to make a reason why some magic is impossible. You cannot grow a tree in a day, but you seem to already have the roots grown. [/quote] ~The Bard
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You’re not the first person to suggest that idea. For Termina’s sake, you aren’t even one of the first ten. It’s been tried several times, and every single time it fails. Why? Because all it takes for the system to fall apart is for one person to say “Screw you, and your rules. I’ll do what I want.”. What do you do then? Say they can’t participate in your RPs? Well so what, they can make their own. Suddenly your RP standard no longer exists, and things go right back to how they used to be. But my apologies, I’m [i]sure[/i] you’re an expert, and much more qualified than the dozens of people before you who have said the exact same thing. If it’s really as simple as you say, then go ahead. Fix the RP. I’ll be waiting right here until you do. In the meantime, you’ll probably realize pretty quickly that getting an entire forum of people to agree to a set of arbitrary rules, when you have absolutely no authority or means to enforce them is much easier said than done.
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Alright, listen Sofia, did I say it would be simple? Easy? That [b][i]EVERYONE[/i][/b] had to agree? I did not. Did I claim to be an expert? Did I say exactly what to do? No, I did not. Did I perhaps insult your person? No, you did that first. Now what it looks like from what you and Nil have said, is that you tried, someone made their own thing and you fell apart trying to control the whole community. Its a long difficult process to make changes and you don’t seem to understand that. And I’m done trying to help you understand that. I’ll leave you with this, you’re a weak willed person who cares more about what others think of you than what you know to be true about yourself. You hide behind the idea that you’re popular here to have a feeling of belonging you lack in your social life. Naturally you’re going to curl up and claim I’m Projecting. But I’m not the one who gets outraged by every small slight by someone else, I read every reply and message I get completely. Good or bad. You can’t take criticism in any form and see it as an attack because you don’t want to admit you need to change. Good day, our conversation is over here, and next time you try and insult someone in an argument, try harder.
