[quote]You have been here for this long and you can't even see these... It's kinda adorable[/quote] It seems like there arent any if that's your respons, either you have reasons and can list them or you don't

I've found snipers and hand cannons or sidearms to be extremely effective against autos. Spam around a corner? Take their head off with a sniper. They're trying to engage you in the open? 9/10 they are too confident while you're next to cover. They want to get close? A sidearm will fix that real quick. ...or last word.

[quote]I don’t think it’s weird, because people need to get better without feeling the stress of the competitive playlist[/quote]The point of ranked or competitive modes are to teach new and old players alike in an environment where they shoot past players till they match thier peers and battle it out vs similar skilled players. That's the direct opposite of the goal of 6vs6 casual modes. If someone wants to learn pvp in a competitive environment but doesnt want to play the intended competitive playlist that's on them, they chose to ignore the mode designed for what they want and expect the others modes to cater backwards and do the opposite of what they're intended for. [quote]also, you said that PvP shouldn’t cater to people bad at the game, or something along those lines, well, maybe it should [/quote]No, it shouldnt, the same way people that only play patrols dont get raid loot those that are bad at something dont get catered towards [quote]Think about it, if someone has a bad experience playing PvP for the first time in a casual match, and they basically don’t get to play the game unless they’re two tapping people, that will leave a bad impression on them for PvP,[/quote]Think about it, if sbmm is in the game better players are forced to play the equivalent of an MLG tourney every game in casual modes which makes them quit - this leaves the community without its hardcore backing that is 100% required for all guides and sherpas and filling the community with casual players who end up dropping the game regardless when the next big title drops. [quote]so less of those “Bad Players” will play, and then you’ll be right back where you started- people higher up the ranks complaining about being in “PvP hell” because the only other people playing are high ranks.[/quote] No for 2 reasons. 1. Casual players come and go all the time, they rejoin the community then leave to rejoin other games and rotate around, there will always be casual players replacing the other casual players who rotate out so pvp remains the same. 2. Casual players dont exclusively match good ones, each and every game is different for them with the majority of games being them vs other average players - this leads to them experiencing variety which is totally fine and keeps them playing. [quote]And casual is supposed to be fun for all people, so if you’re not having fun at your skill level, then why even bother playing?[/quote]Casual is supposed to be the laid back mode where it finds the first and fastest possible match and throws eveyone in regardless of filters, sometimes you'll be on top, sometimes you'll be in the middle and sometimes you'll be at the bottom, it's all random and equal and the better you are the more often you'll be at the top. It's called merit. [quote]If you’re not having fun at a game/game mode, just don’t play that game/game mode, simple. I used to love playing PvP, I even loved playing a bit when SBMM was taken away (I used a Witherhoard and sidearm combo) but I slowly started to see myself not having fun playing PvP, so I stopped, and then I realized, “wait, but doing my weekly bounties for Crucible gets me more exp and loot and bright dust, maybe I should try again?” I went into a match and got 1 kill, and it was an assist. Could be I’m out of practice, could be new metas, or it could be the fact that I was placed in a game with people that would’ve been high above my skill level when I still played PvP a lot. I’ll never know. But no matter the case, when I was playing before, I was still having fun, and now I’m not, and I’m just trying to do some bounties, man... and when you play at the times that I do, there’s only a couple games based on my connection, and I get the same game every single time. Oh well, may as well try again today. You never know, I might find a match where I have fun. Gotta think positive after all of the flak I got from some people... idek why I made this post tbh, well... later.[/quote]Later, keep in the mind the majority of your games are vs your fellow average players, you can also choose the modes intended for sbmm, but you cannot flip pvp on its head and lock away the good players who started off on the same rung as you, tool the time and effort into improving just to be segregated from thier fellow players who theyve been playing all along

Classy.