any one who wants cbmm wants easy matches they cant handle being against sweats like themselves i have had more lag since switch than before so don't tell me that's why. You are a bunch of elitiest who cant handle competition

I’m gonna give this game a decent brake due to sbmm being removed and pvp being a complete cack hole.

The way I see it, CBMM = Faster loadtimes and good players pubstomping the average players constantly. SBMM= Slower loadtimes and worse connections, average players have a more enjoyable time and can improve while the good players vs other good players and feel the need to try harder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development For the record, just wanted to say that not only is he [i]egregiously[/i] misrepresenting what the ZPD is, but in this case, those of you in agreement would be representing [i]children[/i] learning [i]basic fundamental associations[/i]. Sure, you can identify with that if you want, but it is [i]not[/i] a good look.

Unfortunately SBMM really doesn't have much to do with improving for a lot people. For them all SBMM does is spit out the same exact match outcomes over and over again. And you play with the same people and it just makes everyone take turns coming in different positions on the winning and losing teams. Except for the one guy with inflated stats who almost always gets some kind of shot registration advantage. You will play with the same people and one match someone will get all the shot registration then the next match they will have none and its so obvious what the game is doing that it really makes you feel like there's no reason to bother. Its just not fair for so many people to be locked into predictable and predetermined and EXTREMELY LOW QUALITY Player vs Player experiences just because a certain group of mostly undedicated players prefers predictable matches. It sucks for people who are new to the game but its also a mode that's about competition. At the end of the day SBMM had pretty much zero competition in it and the game was making all the decisions just to make a certain group of people happy while a lot of other people got to be miserable. Its one thing to have to have a hard time getting kills because you aren't good enough and its another thing to have a hard time getting kills because the game has decided that you aren't allowed to get kills so that someone who plays 3 matches a week can be given the illusion of improvement. If SBMM helped people improve they would be good enough to reasonably compete with CBMM. It doesn't help people improve, it does the opposite because the game is constantly determining how well someone is allowed to perform. The biggest mistake they made was letting it continue this long. I'm not trying to be mean to anyone but if you just play the game more than 3 times a week you will improve too. There's no one who plays this game with any kind of regularity who benefits from SBMM.

So your best argument is a terrible one? Got it.

[quote]First, there are really good arguments on both side of this because there are people on both sides of this. Each SBMM and CBMM is great for some people and sucks for others. There's no way around that. But this is an argument I don't hear brought up and it's an argument uniquely pro-SBMM. SBMM is objectively the better environment for players to get better. The best learning environment for anybody is engaging about 10-15% beyond current capabilities. It's called the ZPD, or zone of proximal development. This is the academically accepted educational theory. It's backed by peer reviewed studies and it's the way curricula are developed across the world. People say that you should just play better people to get better or be thrown into the fire to figure it out, but that's only true to a degree. People who get good against players way better than them do it [i]despite[/i] their circumstances, not [i]because[/i] of them. Putting players against people in roughly the same skill bracket allows for development and improvement. Until some kind of compromise between CBMM and SBMM is figured out, there will always be some people happy and some unhappy... I just wanted to share this angle since I don't usually hear it.[/quote] Nah You're a 0.9, your opinion is worthless.

CBMM is only good for the 1%. All they do is play stacked and stomp everyone else.

Except you don’t get Better playing ppl of the same skill level. You stay the same. You get better by failure. You notice what better players are doing against you then turn around and use what you’ve learned against others. SBMM has no place in a casual pvp game like destiny. It’s not an Esport. Especially in a peer to peer networking game. It only creates more issues. And honestly most beloved average players play just 4 games of crucible per week then get. They’ve been doing it for the past year... all during SBMM.

Sbmm doesn't make you better and crazy their was no sbmm last season but you weren't complaining. Their hasn't been sbmm since end of Curse of Osiris when their were 50k or less on all platforms playing pvp per day.

The problem with this argument is that in a sbmm system there is no reason to get better. Why even try if your stats will never improve?

Ah, zero upvotes. I have spoken.

So your saying i should go back to sitting in orbit for 10 mins and matching people from mars? Pass.

Your argument doesn't cover the fact that more than around 80% of the current available pvp gamemodes (Rumble, IB, Rotator, Elimination, and Survival) already have SBMM, while around 20% (6v6) is the only gamemode with CBMM. The freedom to do something (in this case, have at least 1 option for players to play under CBMM) exists by default and should only be limited once someone demonstrates it's necessary to do so. It's not Pro-CBMM players' fault that Pro-SBMM players arbitrarily choose to ignore the 80% of gamemodes that work under SBMM. It also doesn't makes sense for Pro-SBMM players to expect and demand that the only CBMM option left in the game needs to be eliminated at the expense of the players who enjoy CBMM. Leaving the freedom to choose between SBMM and CBMM makes more sense than forcing everyone to play under SBMM only.