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Edited by Soul:
12/2/2019 4:31:15 PM
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Lol. This basicially reads as...
'We warlocks want healing abilities but you're not allowed to bring up the several that we already have!'
You can heal without exotics...if you don't like those skills then fine, but you can't just dismiss them and claim other classes have it better because they have exotics that can heal.
[quote]if the Titans and Hunters are going to continue to possess the ability to wear an exotic that allows for instant healing on any class then we should have them too[/quote]
You do... Karmstien armlets - not only gives a large [u]instant[/u] heal, it also gives [u]health regen[/u] for a short time as well.
All these posts proclaiming warlocks are inferior in PVP are just silly.
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Then why have I been seeing nothing but titans and hunters in 90% of games since shadowkeep dropped?
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Cus you -blam!-ers wear bath robes that’s why!!
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Titans wear butt rags
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Really? 90% of games only have titans and hunters. You're sure about that yeah? Your match history says something very different.
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Recent games. In general, it’s mostly titans and hubters
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haha yeah i bet....
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Let’s see, healing rift is useless. Well of radiance can get one hit by shoulder charge still. Only real heal we have is devour. Shut up
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It's useless if you don't know how to use it Just sayin
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How many does the word several indicate? If it's more than two you are seriously exaggerating. The reasons I gave for not being able to bring them up you have not refuted. Rift takes a long time to regen and can not be deployed safely without being behind cover. Devour is only available on one perk tree on one class and only lasts 9 seconds as long as you are getting kills to refresh the timer. (Once the timer runs out grenades have to regen to activate it again or get a melee kill. (Both of these are situational at best and are not permanently active) Also as I stated we have no exotic on this level and if one eyed mask is to be as strong as it's going to be then why shouldn't we have some OP exotic? Least used class in the game and the worst for PVP right now without a doubt.
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[quote]How many does the word several indicate? If it's more than two you are seriously exaggerating. [/quote] It could be 1 it could be 50, the point is you're just totally ruling out those abilities because you don't like them, they're still there though. [quote]The reasons I gave for not being able to bring them up you have not refuted. [/quote] Your reasoning is flawed so I didn't mention it. If you want me to though, okay. [quote]Placing a rift takes time and has a long recharge rate without specific builds[/quote] You can use rift on any build and yes it has a cast animation. It has a cd too, just like any other ability on any other class. Does that automatically mean it's useless? Of course not. Just don't stand in front of someone shooting you while you cast it. Not only does it heal you, it gives you overshield too. If you really think this is a useless ability you might be better on another class. [quote]Also don't bother mentioning devour because that isn't due to an exotic, requires a grenade to sacrifice and also is only available on one tree of a sub class[/quote] And? You're totally ruling out a very powerful healing ability becuase it's only available on one class? What sense does that make? That's one of the perks of that class. You might not like that class and that's fine, but it's still there and it's still viable. [quote]Also as I stated we have no exotic on this level[/quote] Wrong, you said ' if the Titans and Hunters are going to continue to possess the ability to wear an exotic that allows for instant healing on any class then we should have them too' and I gave you an example of an exotic that does just that. So your argument seems to be titans have an OP exotic so everyone should have one? Hmm yeah that's not gonna cause any issues at all. I agree OEM is silly and even after the nerf it'll probably still be the most popular pvp exotic on titans but propogating the problem isn't a solution, Bungie just needs to nerf it properly (3rd time lucky maybe). As for your comments about 'Least used class in the game and the worst for PVP right now without a doubt.' - there's simply no evidence of this anywhere.
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Actually no it means more that two. Also this is still a valid point because neither are as strong as OEM and are active all the time. You can take that as relevant for devour and also rift. Also the post had a whole lot more in it than addressing one exotic. That was just me pointing out the fact that it will still be OP and Warlocks have nothing on the same level. Also I went on to mention that I don't want us to get one unless Titans and Hunters are going to retain theirs. Hunter being able to activate an instant heal every 15 seconds (Dodge recharge) or Titans after ever kill with OEM is still better than our rift and devour in PVP. Both of which have longer cool downs and one is only available on one perk tree on one class. Wow so you think that Karnstien is as good as OEM in PVP? You clearly don't know what you are talking about. It doesn't activate after every kill or add tracking or extra damage. Weak counter point.
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Again, sweeping statements with little fact. [quote]Also this is still a valid point because neither are as strong as OEM and are active all the time. You can take that as relevant for devour and also rift. [/quote] Who said anything about any skills being as powerful as OEM? I think you're really confused about the actual point you're trying to make. You're saying warlocks are bad because they aren't as good as an exotic? Are you very stoned? Also, did I at any point say anything about Karnstien being as good as OEM? You made a statement, I answered. Go re-read and stop trying to twist words to make your point look better, it's not working. [quote]Hunter being able to activate an instant heal every 15 seconds (Dodge recharge) or Titans after ever kill with OEM is still better than our rift and devour in PVP. Both of which have longer cool downs and one is only available on one perk tree on one class.[/quote] You're missing the point, entirely. For a hunter to get that regen, or for titans with OEM, it's taking an exotic isn't it. So they can't wear any other exotics. Warlocks have intrinsic healing of some form in any class without any exotics, yet you're on here decalring all those skills are useless and warlocks are being hard done by. You've really not thought out your point very well.
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Again failing to see the whole context of the post. I am saying the listed things are issues and need to be addressed. (All the warlock things that need buffing) If Warlocks aren't going to get OP exotics like OEM then nerf it more so its fair and we all have exotics of a similar beneficial level. Not some granting increased ability regen while other grant health damage and wall hacks. (Also try not to get hung up on one thing when the OP had like 10 or so.
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Requires a melee kill, and the amount of times you get a melee kill using a warlock is...
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I can count the number of times on my slow moving hand..
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Haha!
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Omg so true
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Actually not. "How many does the word several indicate? If it's more than two you are seriously exaggerating. The reasons I gave for not being able to bring them up you have not refuted. Rift takes a long time to regen and can not be deployed safely without being behind cover. Devour is only available on one perk tree on one class and only lasts 9 seconds as long as you are getting kills to refresh the timer. (Once the timer runs out grenades have to regen to activate it again or get a melee kill. (Both of these are situational at best and are not permanently active) Also as I stated we have no exotic on this level and if one eyed mask is to be as strong as it's going to be then why shouldn't we have some OP exotic? Least used class in the game and the worst for PVP right now without a doubt."
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Funny I see warlocks often in pvp. And before you try to say anything about not playing the past little bit, yes I haven’t played in a few days. The whole holiday season and family being around. You may not like what I say but your opinion is not the only truth here. Many warlocks I have played against run rifts for healing. Now maybe you don’t know how to do it right, but they seem to be mid to top of the leaderboards when I have played with or against them. Each class can complain about different things for themselves as well as about the others. It doesn’t mean they are broken, or overpowered. They play differently. If you want to be a bullet sponge by playing like one perhaps a shooter game is not for you. Each class has their ups and downs. Learn and overcome.
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[quote]Lol. This basicially reads as... 'We warlocks want healing abilities but you're not allowed to bring up the several that we already have!' You can heal without exotics...if you don't like those skills then fine, but you can't just dismiss them and claim other classes have it better because they have exotics that can heal. [quote]if the Titans and Hunters are going to continue to possess the ability to wear an exotic that allows for instant healing on any class then we should have them too[/quote] You do... Karmstien armlets - not only gives a large [u]instant[/u] heal, it also gives [u]health regen[/u] for a short time as well. All these posts proclaiming warlocks are inferior in PVP are just silly.[/quote] Requires a melee slap vs a shotgun heavy field. Healing rifts make you a stationary target (often eating grenades and more shotguns) Meanwhile Titan and hunters both enjoy exotics that heal during and without the need to disengage to actually apply said healing? Eye mask exists as does crown. Both arguably the strongest builds currently.
