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9/14/2019 7:31:30 AM
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The hunters smoke should should also be a suppressor, at least give us one ( on the super that’s a suppressor super) we should have a suppressor makes sense when titans are getting two no?
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Smoke has quicker activation than supressor grenade and sticks to targets so supers would have basically no chance to avoid being suppressed, unlike suppressor grenades which a skilled player can dodge quite easily Smoke does continuous damage meaning you could literally prevent a super from entering a room for like 5 seconds while you run away if it suppressed. This is not a good idea.
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How not? It takes the exact same amount of skill to use a suppressor grenade? titans also get a shield to suppress as well? (Also pretty easy to use) the suppressor grenade does more damage than the smoke does already and the shield is going to be a ohk even in your super... how would a smoke bomb be over powered? If you think it would be overpowered than everything that suppresses on the titan is over powered.
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Bruah if you think bouncing grenades and sticky grenades are the same skill level you are sorely mistaken.
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It’s a smoke and yes I do think it’s the same skill level when you also get a melee that also suppress
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you throw a sticky and a bouncing grenade [i]totally different[/i]. If you have any common sense. Be gone Kinderguardian.
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So just running into a wall to shoulder charge and fully suppress and kill a super isn’t going to be easy easy? Throwing a grenade isn’t easy? Come on it’s just a smoke grenade. You can easily avoid them by jumping. The same with your grenades.
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Edited by GadNefarious: 9/15/2019 3:26:37 AMYou can not easily avoid smokes by jumping. If a smoke lands at your feet you are hit. No delayed detonation. If a suppress lands at your feet you have time to get out of the way because of the delayed detonation, especially if you're playing a roaming super with any mobility like charging, or blinking, or dodging. Suppressors require precise timing and prediction of movement. Also, their aoe isnt as great as most people seem to think. Smokes require you to simply drop it and for the next few seconds anything that moves through it gets hit. Even longer if it's the snare bombs. You would be able to simply drop a snare bomb at your own feet while you kite a super directly into it because you don't have to time anything. It's not a good idea. Edit: not to mention once the super is suppressed AND in smoke, you could just dodge to get the smoke back again. Smoke hunters would never have to worry about roaming supers. Ever.
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Titans won’t ever have to worry about supers ever again with the new update... im literally stating something that would put it on an even playing field as a titan but no you would just like everything that’s broken all be on one class. Cool titan main.
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Yep. I play a titan. You caught me. I also think juggernaut needs to be nerfed, along with 1EM. I don't like that weapons of light will have a greater buff than Well and really look forward to bottom tree nightstalker buffs. Get over the class bs. As for the suppress bash, it might be ok, it might be annoying af. I don't know yet. Charging an active super is risky. Anyone who blindly charges thinking they can shut down a roaming super could just get deleted. However it will be very good against a certain few supers. Maybe too good. But even if suppress bash becomes a problem, giving suppression to smoke grenades is still ten times worse.
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See that’s the problem it’s not getting nerfed and the other classes have no real consistent way of shutting them down at the moment. The only ones that do are also titans. I feel useless against bottom tree at times on hunter or warlock (literally no way to escape) we need one thing on one tree. I’m not asking for two a suppressor grenade and melee like the titans I’m asking for one. And oh we got one or two tiny buffs that should have already been in the game to a super, but get true sight nerfed into the ground... makes no sense.
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Nice way to throw in an ad hominem without actually addressing any of the points he made on how smoke's are near instantaneous compared to suppressors.
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Pretty easy to use a suppressor it’s the same one that’s also on the hunters gunslinger but it doesn’t suppress. a smoke doesn’t last very long, 2-3 seconds maybe. Also running into a wall is pretty easy to charge a suppressor melee.
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You can not easily avoid smokes by jumping. If a smoke lands at your feet you are hit. No delayed detonation. If a suppress lands at your feet you have time to get out of the way because of the delayed detonation, especially if you're playing a roaming super with any mobility like charging, or blinking, or dodging. Suppressors require precise timing and prediction of movement. Also, their aoe isnt as great as most people seem to think. With this in mind, how is smoke not easier to tag with than suppressor.
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Edited by Wraith: 9/15/2019 7:21:20 AMDude all you have to do is bounce the thing it’s not hard to get a grenade to hit Also titans will have two suppressors not just one like I said before
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One of those suppressors is a shoulder charge - something that requires you to run AT the person with the super with your gun lowered. If the person in the super can't stop somebody running at them with their gun lowered, they deserve to get suppressed. Also, you still haven't addressed any of the actual differences between smoke and suppressor nade, all you've said is "it's not hard to get a grenade hit". The reason why you haven't addressed them is because you realize that those differences are why suppression will NEVER be added to smoke. It may not be hard to use suppressor nades, but it's way harder than with smoke, which instantly detonates and deals continuous damage, meaning you can lock down a hallway for several seconds.
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So running into a wall isn’t hard to do? You know what all the titans do to charge shoulder charge? So what if it’s slightly easier to use than your grenade you will have two options to use... the smoke should only suppress while in the smoke and then as soon as you get out you’re back to normal. This would also make it weaker than both of the suppressors that the titans will have. Making them all balanced.
