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Edited by KRoM: 8/15/2019 2:56:39 PM
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I think we are all getting TIRED of Bungie nerfing stuff as streamers request on their cry-videos, aren't we?

I mean, what a guy posts at his channel is just his/her opinion. Just like any other thread in this forum and it should be considered in that way. If bungie's criteria is based on what these people say.... that is very dumb from Bungie. Honestly. [b]The fact he/she has xxxx followers does NOT mean they all are thinking in the same way than him/her.[/b]

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  • You're absolutely right. Remember when D2 Vanilla launched and it was a complete flop? D2 Vanilla was developed based on community(streamers) feedback. The streamers cried constantly about how unbalanced D1 was and Bungie listened. D2 Vanilla launched and was as balanced as Destiny had ever been and........the majority of the D1 fanbase rejected it. Streamers and hardcores alike would like you to believe they are, and represent the majority, when in fact, they are not. The majority of Destiny's fanbase consists of players like me. We want tons of overpowered loot and powerful subclasses that will allow us to steamroll hordes of enemies in cool environments with the occasional mechanic thrown in. Minimal challenge required. The best thing these asshat streamers can do is chew up swallow their opinions and provide entertaining content, lest they find themselves out of a job when Bungie over corrects and sinks the ship. Like they almost did with D2 Vanilla.

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    • Do you really think Bungie is changing ANYTHING because less then 1% of the community asks for it? Do you think they don't look at feedback of all their platforms? Do you think they don't play their own game to understand what would work better? The only thing I can think of as to them "prioritizing" feedback from the streamer/ytuber community is that the majority of them are the best players in the world (for D2) and hence the game is balanced around the highest level of play, otherwise you get a lot of activities that are super easy and boring.

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    • I will never understand this hate for Datto. He is a guy who makes videos explaining all his points in great detail. If you don't agree that's fine but you're also not giving any feedback aside from saying how much you hate streamers.

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      • I mean, it’s either a nerf, or they start making encounters where Well is completely useless. I’d rather have a neutered but still useful Well than never having a reason to use it in the first place. Lord knows it’s not a PVP super.

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      • Remember how many people complained about D1 being ability spam the game?

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      • Most games are suffering cause of this I honestly think gaming was better when people couldn’t say every stupid opinion in there head and pve should be fun for players these streamers are playing too much they need to stop poking holes and get some fresh air it’s ridiculous it’s a game if you don’t like the well making it easy don’t use it simple as

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      • Clearly Bungie's answer to making difficult is to nerf rather than creating more interesting/challenging content. Since D1 the majority of encounters is grab some balls, throw said balls, stand on a plate, group up on said plate and dps the boss. There is clearly a lack of diversity. If boss fights required movement, then things like weapons of light/armor(D1 bubble titans), Well would not be dominating the PVE scene. It's not Well that is op or broken, it is the lack of creativity/challenging encounters that allow these abilities to be rampant. Back in D1, the best strikes were the ones that required you to move or die if you stand still (cabal brothers, the rise of iron strike with the unkillable ogre). Bungie needs to create encounters that require you to move around as opposed to giving an ample period of time to allow for camping. Or they can create new enemies which can either suppress/nullify your abilities and supers or can oneshot you even while in your super. If you look at Warframe/DE, at times they do nerf things that are overpowered but most recently in these past years they try creating new challenging content/enemies without the need of nerfing abilities. Bungie only listens to streamers because it is easy. It is easy for them to just nerf things because they are lazy and they will continue to do so.

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        • Edited by MstrofPuppts: 8/17/2019 7:07:14 AM
          It's obvious Bungie covets streamers and YouTubers. Luke Smith mentions them in his Director Cut and linked videos as well. It is sad to say but don't buy Shadowkeep, instead use New Light. When a majority stops financially supporting the game then "The Community" will be listened too

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        • If you think that they are making these decisions based solely off what a content creator says you are adorable. Data is data and all these stackable buffs and debuffs are broken. Stop thinking they have all this control over these changes.

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        • I mean if bungie doesnt do nerf/buff certain items everyone would still be using the same loadouts since forsaken launched. And then your post would be something like, we need more powerful items.

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        • Good thing places like this forum never make any nerf posts

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        • While i agree that warlocks are op and well is out of control easy mode I think that instead of nerfing the super to oblivion bungie should make the other characters just as viable and rework how boss encounters and such work in this game altogether. Every boss being a big baddie with a couple million hit points and health regeneration brings nothing to the table and stomp mechanics aren't funny anymore.

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        • This game will get to a point when everything is just bland a weak and pvp will blame everyone apart from themselves. It’s happened since Destiny 1 first released.

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        • Also people are saying the well nerf was needed but now bubble is going to replace it. And just to let everyone know you cannot die in a bubble at all in pve (wipe mechanics don’t count). Yes well healed fast but you could still die, it doesn’t have impenetrable walls. They should’ve just kept everything as is because now titans are going to be pigeon holed into running bubble. Oh well.

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          • Bungle does way to much stuff for streamers. To bad they were so stupid to remove trials. The game was actually on the top of the directory on twitch and they had real streamers actually playing the game with other players not priemere players only

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          • I’m not. Nerfs happen. Well was overpowered (coming from a warlock main).

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          • Well needed to have something done to it. Well made PvE easy mode. Stand in well, melt boss, repeat

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            • Edited by Zerosixious: 8/15/2019 8:40:17 PM
              Actually, a lot of players who play for challenge and or PvP primarily agree with most of what the streamers say. They are part of our community and clans. They represent our portion of players. There are 1000s of normal players posting on Reddit or the forums at all times. The second one of us speaks about issues we have, we are downvoted and spit on. The streamers speak for most of us, otherwise we wouldn't have a voice. We get muted. Besides that, I have had several post on here and Reddit talking about things that need changing or things that are going to play poorly before they happen. I get downvoted and told I am speaking to early, we need to wait and see. Fast forward like 3 months and the same crap I posted, gets posted again, and has like 10k upvotes and silver/gold. Truth is a lot of stuff needs tuning... Mountaintop Recluse The Last Word Dawnblade super Striker super Arc web nades One eyed mask Super mitigation Super generation time Hit registration of supers is poor Shield toss tracking Probably the most common list for PvP, and the list is like 5x that size for PvE.

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              • Edited by Necrogen: 8/15/2019 1:38:02 PM
                [quote] [b]The fact he/she has xxxx followers does NOT mean they all are thinking in the same way than him/her.[/b][/quote] But it's [b][i]also[/i][/b] fair to say that [b]they do[/b]. Now, take [b][i]that[/i][/b] issue and present it. Why can't people speak for themselves? Is it easier to subscribe to one voice with many backing this one person Or Is it easier to listen to [b][i]every single Player? [/i][/b] We have ways of getting our points across. Naturally it's done by taking the path of least resistance. What is the best way the community can voice themselves and [b][i]all[/i][/b] be heard? To address what datto has said? If you don't agree with this particular context I don't think you understood what he was saying. Now I'm projecting my view and bias onto on you because I believe it's very important that you understand this. [b][i]One trick pony Supers and gear sets trivialize the game. [/i][/b] This is basically what he said. ( Expanding on this view) it's more so game design which is at fault but it's also the community at fault and I'll explain these two things later. what he's trying to say right now is that well of radiance and super powerful meta gear sets are used solely to beat things like raids. because people are becoming accustomed to using the same things all the time the game will get stale. Getting into Bungie now: For the sake of tradition they made black hammer again pre Nerf. They for whatever reason had a misguided thought process on why this kind of gun should be made again. Perhaps they remade it to make people swoon. remember at the time curse of Osiris was a really bad expansion and there was a huge drought window of content. With warmind coming in they did not want that to happen again. Well of radiance is a cool super and they thought it was better than I self reviving warlock. It is better than d1s sunsinger by far. Look at what the super does. you need to understand that now it makes the players break the rules of engagement and just sit in one spot and DPS something down. The Community I feel has the ability to go into a coma....Did we not complain about bullet sponges and uninteresting boss encounters? Yet we're all going to sit in a well shooting at bullet sponges? Because that's fun right? Remember this though: what looks good on paper may not necessarily be good in practice. On to the community [b][i]as a whole[/i][/b]: Because we've become so accustomed to using the same gear sets we now want to 1 phase every boss and we were choosing specific Supers and specific gear sets and if we don't get that from the people we party up with we don't work with them. It creates a toxic environment and you'll get people super annoyed talking about how they're capable of holding their own but they don't understand why people need to 1 phase everything. (There Is a plethora reasons but I'm going to just give you the most basic ones) What can Bungie do? [b][i]Anything they want[/i][/b] it's [b][u]their[/u][/b] game. Datto is not saying anything that no one knows about. The game is too easy and it is trivialised because of what we can do. I wouldn't take this one with a grain of salt. I play harder games than Destiny. This game can grow and become something better than what it is. Easy does not equal fun. Hard does not equal fun. Challenge equals fun. the community will sit here and say Nerf XYZ and then have the nerve to complain about no variety. If you Nerf weapons in the name of balance then you take things out of the pool for people to use. Balance everything and you risk all weapons losing their identity. people are so caught up in their feelings when they start posting in anger and frustration that they don't realize that bungie looks at these things and takes them to a degree of seriousness. How many people on this forum do you think can make it an intelligible argument? In my experience here on the forms I haven't seen very many. This is why people look to streamers because people like datto can do this. Glad, esoterickk, aztecross, byf, Mylen games, are pretty popular and if they say something about the game and Bungie sees that more million-plus people agree with it then they're going to say that generally they have a valid and reliable statement. you may not agree with 1% of what they're saying but that doesn't mean that whatever they're saying is not agreeable or untrue. and if you're not subscribed to them you have to do your best to bring up your points that you would brought to light. Let's take your original post as an example. Your issue here is that you're complaining that people are listening to one streamer. what ideas specifically is he saying that you don't agree with? [b][i]This is the problem in this community [/i][/b] You're not taking the time to make specific arguments and say what you don't agree with. you just want to lump it in about three or four lines and be done with it. That's not what you're supposed to do. Sure you not going to agree with nerfs but then what are your suggestions that you're bringing to the table? What things can be altered? You need to think. [u]Present the issue[/u] [i][b]provide solutions[/b][/i]. I could go on even longer but this wall of text is long enough

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                • I'm more tired of people seeking the easy way out to blame streamers for in-game balance choices that [b]obviously had to be made[/b] sooner or later. If you're really [i]that[/i] naive to believe, that such a decision was made on a whim, a week after a streamer pointed out this obvious flaw, then I'm really sorry for you. The game was made around Well of Radiance being as broken as it is and all the buffs stacking as they currently do and nerfing that brings back balance to the game as it should be.

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                • Are you just dumb? Well of radiance 100% needs to be nerfed into the ground. It turns the game into -blam!-ing ULTRA EASY MODE

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                  • Nah. 90% of the time they're correct. Some people grow too attached to things in games. I'm all for balance changes after a long period of time with no balance changes.

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                  • I think we are all getting tired of these posts going up thinking that Bungie actually made these decisions strictly because a streamer made a video pointing it out. It’s actually hilarious and ignorant to think that “(Streamer’s name here) said this” that Bungie will based on that alone. Bungie can see everything we do in game and their choices are made 2-3 months or more in the pay compared to what we actually see in game. They made Shadowkeep decisions when Season of the Drifter launched. That’s 6 months lead time.

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                  • Bungie should listen to streamers over feedback on this forum every time. Its not even close. Its so rare to see a constructive critical post here. Most of them are hyperbolic nonsense.

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                    • Tru dat. I didn't see any issues with Well of Radiance. As long as I can 1 shot someone standing in well using a fusion rifle, I am good.

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                      • If you could actually read, you would have noticed that Luke said they already felt that Well was OP and had to take that into account when they were designing the Reckoning, some 6-9 months ago. Datto's video only came out at the end of July. Only a fool thinks they would take one YouTuber/Streamer's opinion to alter the game.

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