SPEAKING OF WHISPER. I bought the ornament with silver and grinded that catalyst for a gun I rarely use anymore. Are there any plans to make it cool again? Maybe give crits with whispered breathing a le monarque burning aoe effect? Doesnt have to be op, just cool please

This community blows. People are so entitled.

Huge wall of text which explains a lot and skips a lot but all is good because this is Part 1 so there is more to come and it means more clarity. My take on it is that yes there have beens a lot of good things but some major mistakes also (as you have said). The end result is a smaller player base and a smaller streaming community (if that is to be a measurable vector as per Ninja's and M$ recent stunt!). Anyway, I digress so back to the post! [b]Nerfing Supers and Regens[/b] Nerfing super made sense back in your old post also but it did not address all the problems. Why do people kill/cheese bosses to begin with? Obviously it's no fun! I got the answer when I met a player with 90+ LW completions and no 1K voices. I literally cried for him. He had so many sherpa runs and so many quick/legit completions and everything except the thing he wanted most. RNG forces people to find shortcuts. Lengthy repetitive quest lines forces the same so [i]cheese[/i] comes into play. This is where the OP armour fits in. Back in early days of D2 and the Leviathan raid, RNG was also horrible. My clan did lots of raid and most of them never got the handcannon when I got it from raid engram (back in early days it gave you raid gear!) and i almost had all the weapons from raid before even powering up to raid level. Bummer for those who earned that engram for me! Cheese was rampant in my clan due to this. [b]Nerfing Weapons[/b] Fine with that. Just make sure you nerf both PvP and PvE weapons so that when one activity becomes boring due to a nerf, people can at least do another one! Jokes, apart, nerfing weapons is not the solution and you have proved it in Menagerie (and to some extend in some forges where bosses move too much). Making a well thought, well planned map with moving enemies and difficult angle of attacks solve the problems in much better way. BTW glyph puzzle is not a solution because it is just boring and attracts nerds with personality problems most of the time. All in all, you made decisions to pick x over y because of input. You agree that some worked out others didn't but hey that's life and it is ok. I understand and agree with most of it because in all honesty I understand what you mean by development marathon because I do it in real life. I would seriously consider you channel and analytics of making these decisions. I think I know why it is the way it is but that's for another post so I won't spill it here but I think it's wrong and it is costing you a lot of $$$ and most importantly it is costing you your player base.

This is where DE shits all over Bungie as a developer. They listen to, communicate and discuss with the PLAYERS regarding the game. Not just streamers or people who's only obsession is how they can keep an audience. This has left me very sceptical over Shadowkeep.

So you expect us to buy the DLC and season pass and if we want any cool looking stuff you expect us to spend even more money . Sorry but not a chance , normally I pre order glad I never bothered this time , players support this game by buying the DLC and season pass but Bungie wants more , I won’t be throwing any money at my tv for this crap . It’s greed nothing else , if you want Eververse to fund destiny then stop selling season pass and DLC s. Only way to stop this shit is to stop buying sliver Buying the DLC / season pass should be enough The only vendor that ever gets updated is Eververse . If this is the way this game is going I won’t be part of it

You listen to Datto, I Don't purchase your season pass. It's simple, you make the call.

[spoiler][quote]"But, the Annual Pass was harder on the team than we anticipated. ... about the grind of working on Destiny. Working on the game was starting to wear people down. ... but also put the team into an unsustainable development cycle. We needed to develop a more systemic, standardized set of mechanics for progression to keep our teams healthier.    We're going to take this problem on in D2Y3. " [/quote][/spoiler] Hold up, so making dlc like in D1 was too hard, thats why you included Eververse and went with an annual pass style and now that's also too hard? How about the grind playing Destiny wearing people down? An " unsustainable development cycle"... So let me get this straight, you want to have your cake and eat it too, you want the game to be a mmo but you can't provide enough base content, you can't provide mmo like expansions and you're even having trouble providing for games as a service content? I'll get Shadowkeep to give you a chance but thanks to those quotes I've canceled my Digital Deluxe pre-order and settled for the base version.

Ok, so a lot of this is just kinda insight and maybe some fluff...but...one thing that is really sticking out to me is the fact that we got a speech about how DLC was too hard, "making content is hard"...remember that? How putting together these massive bundles of content, strikes, pvp maps, raids, etc. was too much work, so we are switching to the annual pass model. We switch to the annual pass model and this is too much for bungie to handle? Are you serious? I'm sorry, black armory was a pathetic grind to throw balls at a cow bell four times. Joker's wild was a couple new maps for Prime and collecting some lost VHS tapes for the drifter. Other than Managerie this season has been a complete joke. The rest is sprinkled in reused content, no new strikes, no new PVP maps, no vendor refresh....my goodness how much lower is Bungie going to go as far as putting out content?

Let me get it clear. The Creative Director of Destiny stupidly stated, that the ONLY unique mission in entire(!) Annual Pass - Zero Hour - was made only because you were satisfied with real money skin sales? In full price game with paid DLCs? Really? So I guess now we could already agree Eververse are the main focus for Bungie? P.S. Hard work on Annual Pass? Hard work on fully reused content? Really? P.S.S. In Warframe we have new frame called Wisp. She could placed her buffs (almost equal to Lock's Well) in the start of the mission and it will stay there till end. And somehow this don't ruin PvE experience of the game. Luke, maybe it's time to ask some help from Digital Extremes?

I don’t mind making encounters more difficult, but please enable us to deal the DPS to bosses without capping our damage per damage phase. If we have enough DPS to kill a boss in 1 run, please let it happen. Also happy you guys acknowledge how bulky the Titan armour is. I’m sure it will be better in Shadow Keep.

I will go to Reddit for the constructive adult comments. It is time this forum grew up, shame on some of you.