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Edited by TheShadow-cali:
8/6/2019 2:56:38 PM
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When vendors in a looter shooter become literally only bounty place holder vs D1 being actually useful? Yep, there is something majorly wrong here.
Edit: Someone asked me to make a list so I did to give an idea on how much more useful D1 vendors actually are vs D2.
It's a long list.
[spoiler] D1. Amanda Holiday running patrol you were able to collect schematics to turn in for ships. Later she gets a full inventory of all ships you could purchase.
D2. Amanda Holiday has an empty inventory. Totally useless...
D1. Vanguard starting out a fresh character all of them had a full inventory.
D2. Vanguard you only have Zavala that has an inventory that hasn't been updated in a year. Cayde-6 is dead and removed from the game. Ikora has an empty inventory that she is nothing but a power engram holder, totally useless.
D1. Factions always had a full inventory of emblems, weapons, gear and later updated to having a rotating inventory and they were there 24-7 that they also have (class-specific items.)
D2. Factions were removed over a year ago. The dumbest move this company has ever made in this game with Factions.
D1. The Gunsmith always had a full inventory
D2. The Gunsmith 2 whopping mods handing out hundreds and thousands of duplicates.
D1. The speaker has a full inventory and you could trade material
D2. He's dead and removed from the game.
D1. Every DLC all of the above were updated with a fresh inventory
D2. All of the above barely anything updated in 2 years. Making them Totally useless.
D1. Petra had somewhat of an inventory that you could collect a ship, shaders, etc.
D2. Patra is nothing but a bounty place holder that has been handing out duplicates for 2 years.
D1. Eris Morn in TDB had a full inventory of Shaders, emblems, Titan mark, Warlock bond, Hunters cloak and she sold ammo, etc.
D2. Eris Morn I can almost guarantee she will only be a useless bounty place holder with Shadow Keep like the rest of the vendors in this entire game.
D1. Crucible court master has a full inventory, you can purchase weapons sparrows and material that was updated ever DLC.
D2. No crucible court master.
D1. Vanguard court master has a full inventory of weapons, sparrows and later updated to purchase material.
D2. No vanguard court master.
D1. Shaxx had an inventory but was updated every DLC.
D2. Shaxx hasn't been updated in a year other than quest like D1 had.
D1. Variks has a full inventory of Amor, ships, shaders, ammo, Titan mark... and the material with a weapon that all of that was on a rotating system.
D2. You don't have anything like that for any activity in the entire game. You run bounties and while running an activity like gambit hoping the wonderfull RNG will be in your favor. [/spoiler]
All of this and I didn't even add ROI vendors. Most vendors in D1 you could triad with or purchase certain items like ammo that the price varied in material/ glimmer. In D2 the vendors are totally useless or nothing but bounty place holders. D2, the only vendor that is kind of useful when it comes to material that happens to be the only vendor that you can get material from is Spider, and the cost for things are too high.
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[quote]When vendors in a looter shooter become literally only bounty place holder vs D1 being actually useful? Yep, there is something majorly wrong here.[/quote] Rose tinted glasses. The only thing, and I mean the [b]only thing[/b], that made any tower vendor useful was when Dead Orbit sold Hung Jury for a year. That was it. Everything else was no different than it is now. Randomly rolled weapons where maybe 1 was a good archetype.
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Edited by TheShadow-cali: 8/5/2019 5:01:19 PM[quote][quote]When vendors in a looter shooter become literally only bounty place holder vs D1 being actually useful? Yep, there is something majorly wrong here.[/quote] Rose tinted glasses. The only thing, and I mean the [b]only thing[/b], that made any tower vendor useful was when Dead Orbit sold Hung Jury for a year. That was it. Everything else was no different than it is now. Randomly rolled weapons where maybe 1 was a good archetype.[/quote] You do know your opinion is not fact right and just because you said: "The only thing that made the tower useful was dead orbit" etc... That is a personal preference and nothing else. This thing is, what you are looking at doesn't apply to everyone nor how the vendors were designed for the game and were updated every DLC with a retaining loot system. D2 vendors are nothing but bounty place holders and they haven't been updated in a year other than 1 weapon here and a couple of months later a weapon there. I could easily make a list that would show how useful they're vs D2's vendors and just because you were only interested in a couple of things doesn't mean they weren't useful.
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I'd like a list of what made D1 vendors more useful than D2 vendors. I'd like a comparison.
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Edited by TheShadow-cali: 8/6/2019 2:49:48 PM[quote]I'd like a list of what made D1 vendors more useful than D2 vendors. I'd like a comparison.[/quote] It's a long list [spoiler]D1. Amanda Holiday running patrol you were able to collect schematics to turn in for ships. Later she gets a full inventory of all ships you could purchase. D2. Amanda Holiday has an empty inventory. Totally useless... D1. Vanguard starting out a fresh character all of them had a full inventory. D2. Vanguard you only have Zavala that has an inventory that hasn't been updated in a year. Cayde-6 is dead and removed from the game. Ikora has an empty inventory that she is nothing but a power engram holder, totally useless. D1. Factions always had a full inventory of emblems, weapons, gear and later updated to having a rotating inventory and they were there 24-7 that they also have (class-specific items.) D2. Factions were removed over a year ago. The dumbest move this company has ever made in this game with Factions. D1. The Gunsmith always had a full inventory D2. The Gunsmith 2 whopping mods handing out hundreds and thousands of duplicates. D1. The speaker has a full inventory and you could trade material D2. He's dead and removed from the game. [b]D1. Every DLC all of the above were updated with a fresh inventory D2. All of the above barely anything updated in 2 years. Making them Totally useless.[/b] D1. Petra had somewhat of an inventory that you could collect a ship, shaders, etc. D2. Patra is nothing but a bounty place holder that has been handing out duplicates for 2 years. D1. Eris Morn in TDB had a full inventory of Shaders, emblems, Titan mark, Warlock bond, Hunters cloak and she sold ammo, etc. D2. Eris Morn I can almost guarantee she will only be a useless bounty place holder with Shadow Keep like the rest of the vendors in this entire game. D1. Crucible court master has a full inventory, you can purchase weapons sparrows and material that was updated ever DLC. D2. No crucible court master. D1. Vanguard court master has a full inventory of weapons, sparrows and later updated to purchase material. D2. No vanguard court master. D1. Shaxx had an inventory but was updated every DLC. D2. Shaxx hasn't been updated in a year other than quest like D1 had. D1. Variks has a full inventory of Amor, ships, shaders, ammo, Titan mark... and the material with a weapon that all of that was on a rotating system. D2. You don't have anything like that for any activity in the entire game. You run bounties and while running an activity like gambit hoping the wonderfull RNG will be in your favor.[/spoiler] All of this and I didn't even add ROI vendors. Most vendors in D1 you could triad with or purchase certain items like ammo that the price varied in material, glimmer. In D2 the vendors are totally useless or nothing but bounty place holders.
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Edited by GSXR RACER: 8/6/2019 3:45:30 PMthis. people really have been "brain-washed" by the new "business model" that Bungie has, and that's all it is, a business model. Yes, they are a company, and yes they have to make money and profits. But they had the same goals when they made halo. DE has the same goals with Warframe. Games don't have to be made as least publishable content, with the playerbase being unpaid alpha and beta testers, or worse yet, make us pay to help finish developing the game for them with our feedback and anger based on shitty decisions. People want to bash F2P games cause the MTX's in the games equate to P2W (thank you st. ives 09 for correcting my incorrect interpretation), but in reality, done right F2P games can give you everything at a lower entry price, than we will be forced into by the change in "business model" that Bungie is slowly pushing on us. which includes that we will still pay regular game prices for future DLC AND still get MTX's.
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Bungie , each destination needs at least 1 vendor that offers destination specific weapons and armor . I'm not talking about reskins , you have the weapon and armor library to do this . A way to level up that vendor could be anything from bounties to destination strikes , missions etc... The tower , the factions need to return with their version of reworked armor and weapons and a way to level them up . Weapon manufacturers need representatives at the tower with not only their new stuff but "classic" stuff and a way to level up . Even xur could offer stuff from the nine legendary items armor and weapons..... It's all up to you Bungie , I don't know if what I mentioned sounds doable but it sounds fun for myself.... Again just my opinion not everyone's....
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Edited by TheShadow-cali: 8/5/2019 6:05:12 AMIMO, Bungie needs to make all the vendors relevant, not just Tess that it has gotten ridiculous with this company. Oh, and they can get off their lazy butts and bring back factions because it doesn't take any company in this entire world over a year to figure out what to do with something so small and easy to add back to the game. They do it with IB all the time...
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[quote]Bungie , each destination needs at least 1 vendor that offers destination specific weapons and armor . I'm not talking about reskins , you have the weapon and armor library to do this . A way to level up that vendor could be anything from bounties to destination strikes , missions etc... The tower , the factions need to return with their version of reworked armor and weapons and a way to level them up . Weapon manufacturers need representatives at the tower with not only their new stuff but "classic" stuff and a way to level up . Even xur could offer stuff from the nine legendary items armor and weapons..... It's all up to you Bungie , I don't know if what I mentioned sounds doable but it sounds fun for myself.... Again just my opinion not everyone's....[/quote] You just thought of a new grind...thank you
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I get having bounties, but Bungie's idea of bounties have no imagination. They have been the same crap for 2 years now that I rather have D1 vendors back then this lazy work using vendors as bounty place holders that offer nothing at all. How many vendors are in this game and Tess is the only one they take care of?
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[quote]I get having bounties, but Bungie's idea of bounties have no imagination. They have been the same crap for 2 years now that I rather have D1 vendors back then this lazy work using vendors as bounty place holders that offer nothing at all. How many vendors are in this game and Tess is the only one they take care of?[/quote] Yup useless vendors all of them. Might as well go back to the bounty robot from D1 for all your bounty needs. Lame
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I rather loot be added to the game then this lazy, 1 weapon here and one weapon there nonsense. Besides that, the vendors in D1 had a rotating loot system that had a full inventory of weapons/gear that was actually updated every DLC and factions as well. Hmm, where are the factions and what inventory do the vendors have in D2?
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lol we're on to pretending that vendors were useful in D1? Woo boy.
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Edited by GSXR RACER: 8/4/2019 3:25:01 PMmaybe not useful, but they served a larger purpose than they do now. Ikora? wtf does she do? she doesn't even really have bounties anymore. At one point the vanguard at least played a role. the Gunsmith had Arms Day and good bounties, like the class specific weapons. The factions did something, they had story lines and quests. now there are no factions, Ikora does nothing, Gunsmith is only marginally useful, given you can get most things from your collection, so all he really does is sell mods. So, they may not have been "useful" but they did have purpose and presented the possibility for side storylines and quests.
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By an enormous stretch, we can pretend like they mattered at all. They offered non-powerful gear that weren't close to viable.
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Tell that to hung jury or a thesian fr4
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Both objectively inferior to alternatives. You might have been ok with being a detriment to your fireteam, I'm not.
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At no point was a thesian a detriment the erentil is a exact copy of the thesian and people say it's op so there's that and the hung jury was just like mida minus the radar thing those two scouts caused the nerf that scouts got in d1
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Sentences man, holy cow. It might be the same as erentil, but under a different meta. It was trash. Hung jury was fine for PvP but crucible is a joke so that's irrelevant.
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Did you ever use susanoo? The warlock fusion? That was a great weapon offered only through gunsmith. There were some gems available from some vendors. Not all, and some were irrelevant. But things like factions were useful and important. And offered unique weapons.
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You didn't have to go back to the vendors very often. Stop by when you have enough shit for gun, never come back. The tower was lifeless then like it is now.
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you went to the vendors anytime you needed ammo synths, or to turn in bounties or get new bounties. Most of the vendors had quests that gave armor, weapons. Leveling them up gave rank up packages that included armor and weapons, and they had rotating stock of faction specific weapons where the perks changed weekly or at least monthly so if you didn't use the vendors very often, that's cause of the game play style you chose, which is again your opinion and your choice, but it doesn't make it right. it makes it your perspective. Odin already provided you an extensive list of what the differences were. if you chose to still argue that they had no purpose, then clearly you didn't get very involved in D1 and only doing lots of raids or lots of crucible or lots of ANY ONE thing is NOT really getting involved in the game
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Why would anyone ever slot susanoo?? It wasn't even tier a, let alone best in slot.
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Edited by GSXR RACER: 8/5/2019 2:56:51 PMAll your opinions, based on your game mode preference and play style. You've already had several people give alternative weapons they felt were worthwhile. At this point you are arguing your own preferences. You admitted that by the anti-PvP slant you just gave. And susanoo was useful in PvE cause it could switch elemental type based on subclass damage done.
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Maybe here will see this so he will stop making replies to me. I muted him a while back, I can't see what he posted to you but when someone makes a reply to someone I muted I can see the name of the person they posted to.
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[quote]When vendors in a looter shooter become literally only bounty place holder vs D1 being actually useful? Yep, there is something majorly wrong here.[/quote] I can’t bring myself to play it. I’m on a long hiatus until Shadowkeep... but I’ve heard a lot of grinding is in the mix, so...
