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7/19/2019 6:23:29 PM
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Hey all, thank you for the continued feedback on this! (I've posted this line a few times today, so go ahead and roast me for the copy pasta...)
We've been getting feedback on the absence of Factions/Faction Rallies since they went on hiatus last year. While I can't make any promises on if or when they'd return, I'd like to ask some questions here to help prioritize the feedback points that we've been collecting.
1. What are the aspects of Factions or Faction Rallies that you liked most?
2. What were features that you did not enjoy?
3. Have there been any other activities in Destiny or Destiny 2 that you thought Factions impacted in a good way? Ex: Lost Sector Grind - some people enjoyed it, while others really did not
Thanks,
-dmg
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As a former D2 only player who recently went back to D1 to check out the raids in preparation for shadowkeep, I will say, I prefer the faction rally system in D1 better. Factions should be a reflected on all activities that are done in game (perhaps like a portion or percentage of the exp you earn doing everything goes to the faction). If you wanted to switch it up, you could have certain activities give more of a portion on certain days (like, strikes today, or crucible). Rank ups could be rewarded by being able to select a randomly rolled gun or armor price that could change ever so often (weekly?). But you could pick from a selection. It'd be cool too if you could only select one per account, and if that choice gave you a character bonus (Like a attribute bonus or something small), and that if the faction race could be presented in game some how (perhaps by who is in first second or third as shown on the flags in the tower or something). To answer your questions, I didn't really like most of the faction rallies, and certainly not grinding lost sectors. I did most faction rallies for the guns and for the catalysts, but those weren't a big deal.
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Hello dmg. Short and sweet: Please bring back D1 factions. I was nice to have extra vendors on the tower with weekly rotating gear to check out and try out. Also grinding for the ships, shaders and the exotic class item was something for all the completionists out there like myself. But a big point I hate about D2 faction rallies was the RNG on the drops. I am missing 1 gun from one of the factions just because I wasn't lucky enough to have it drop. Also I played enough to max out the 30 packages for each character on each rally, so there was nothing I could have done. And like I said, I try to get as many things in my collection as possible, so that really keeps a very sour taste in my mouth all the time. So please, regardless of how the future for factions look like, it would be fantastic to give us players a way to acquire the old year 1 guns and armor from those factions, so that completionists can max out the missing spots.
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Just bring back factions, no ralleys. Permanent vendors like in D1 with different random rolled weapons and gear each week and bounty’s for faction progres. Thank you
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I'd love to see the vendors return as weekly vendors with bounties and rr year 1 faction weapons. I think simply that would be fine. As far as the rallies themselves go I would love to see 3 per season and have the competition be PvP in the form of 3v3v3 (three per faction of course) with token awards for 1st and 2nd. Along with that there would be faction bounties for PvE players to fulfill that award armor or ornaments along with the option to purchase reworked year 1 faction weapons. At the end of it all there is a winning faction and a new winning weapon that drops like a static pinnacle weapon (breakneck, oxygen, etc.) that can later be acquired through quests for the other factions.
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I don't understand the reasoning to changing the way factions worked from D1. They just need to be a permanent fixture. I enjoyed pledging and grinding out to get the exotic class item. This just should've stayed the way it was.
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Bring Back Weekly rolled gear from factions! Faction Rallies were awesome but with random rolls it would've made even greater.
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I loved the system of increasing difficulty of lost sectors and then turning it in for reputation. Though I disliked that you could only pick one faction per account instead of one for each character. I also want the special exotic class items from D1
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I enjoyed simply bring in a faction like in D1 as there was more look to bring for and especially the Dead Orbit black and white gear looked great (putting green in the shader for the last rally though was a mistake as DO is clear meant to be black and white only) Yeah the lost sector grind was OK but not brilliant I didn't like that it wasn't permanent, I think that it should be like in D1( yes I know you could change your faction after a while) but why not just have it there all the time and then have them do daily/weekly bounties for loot. And then hold events once a month or something where you get bonus tokens for your activities, to claim either exotic weapon catalysts or amour like the old class items ones we could get. I really want Faction Rally to return otherwise you might as.weel.remove the NPCs and all the banners as there is no point it being there taking up refering space and we not doing anything with it. Especially as without DO and FWC interaction I don't know anyone that goes to the hanger at all since Cayde-6 was killed off, there's no point, the only other time.we go in the hanger is when Xur is there. But that's it. Please bring faction rally back but maybe as a cross between D1 and D2
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1. 100% agree with the OP's thoughts on this. I greatly miss when the Factions were just permanent vendors with gear/weapons and maybe a faction exotic item to grind for. Why change what wasn't broken? And they also had new gear to grind for every major release which was great (Side Note: When are planetary vendors going to get new gear to obtain? That hasn't changed since their inital release in D2 and it'd be nice to have a reason to grind specific locations again) 2. The fact that Factions turned into occasional "rally" events in D2 with underwhelming prizes. Again, see #1. I don't mind occasional rally events but have them be in addition to the Factions already being permanent vendors. 3. I didn't mind tying Faction Rallies to specific activities, such as Lost Sectors, but maybe that speaks to the eventual insignificance of activites like Lost Sectors in the endgame (and no, WANTED bounties don't help with that). Make activities like Lost Sectors or Public Events more meaningful by giving them their own exclusive gear/weapons tied to them to grind for. I think Faction Rallies should stand on their own (in addition to the Factions being permanent vendors) instead of being used to artifcially prop up other activities (i.e. Lost Sectors) that are cool on their own but also need a reason behind them to do grind them.
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Edited by Crow_of_Dionysia: 7/22/2019 6:58:22 PMI think what you had with faction rallies was great, but being able to pledge to one faction and continue to work with them even when there were no faction rallies (destiny 1) is great. It makes me feel like im contributing to an actual goal of a political group instead of just being a part of a unimportant competition every couple months. The faction rallies in my opinion should be a chance to prove your devotion to the faction that you've spent so much time on. As for rewards, tieing specific weapons to each faction doesn't make it a game about what faction is the most devoted, it becomes a game about seeing which faction has the best loot and then pledging to that one. Maybe having all factions have the same reward but with a different paint job, and maybe a buff for the people who pledged to the winning faction? I just want to feel like im putting more devotion and work into my factions aside from a meaningless, impactful event EDIT: plus, bringing the year one faction armors up with the planned armor 2.0 would be great
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I think what you had with faction rallies was great, but being able to pledge to one faction and continue to work with them even when there were no faction rallies (destiny 1) is great. It makes me feel like im contributing to an actual goal of a political group instead of just being a part of a unimportant competition every couple months. The faction rallies in my opinion should be a chance to prove your devotion to the faction that you've spent so much time on. As for rewards, tieing specific weapons to each faction doesn't make it a game about what faction is the most devoted, it becomes a game about seeing which faction has the best loot and then pledging to that one. Maybe having all factions have the same reward but with a different paint job, and maybe a buff for the people who pledged to the winning faction? I just want to feel like im putting more devotion and work into my factions aside from a meaningless, impactful event
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Here's what I want to say. As Far as faction rallies and I think it's a thing Bungie has looked at as a whole. "If it ain't broke don't fix it" I loved pledging to New Monarchy, and sticking with it. Now, the rally idea is cool but, I would love to show my Guardian D1 New Monarchy armor. It was awesome. And I wore it alot. Same with the weapons. They should have perks that other weapons don't get. Even the other factions don't get. Something that reflect what they stand for. There should be Faction exotics. Like I said I was a warlock Main (am still) and pledged New Monarchy (did still). So I didn't even know there was a class exotic.....it felt so incredibly badass. Every time I would Spawn people yelling "How is your spwan different?" Because it wasn't something everyone could get. You had to have put in work consistently to get it with a faction. More of that. Same with the ships. Sparrows. Make joining a faction significant. Like the drifter and Praxic thing. Make it so joining lasts the Season. And each season has a new set. You did that almost with destiny 1. There were multiple sets of weapons and armor. Over the course of destiny 1. And the ranking need to come back in general. For vanguard. Crucible. Gunsmith. The gunsmith rankings use to provide special legendary and exotics per class. Bring them back. I was a warlock so I LOVED Susanoo and Tlaloc. I don't know about the other classes. Nothing would be a awesome and having a Exotics Bond and sword on my back that is only capable of being received my New Monarchy. You all had the recipe in D1. Just build on it. Don't overthink it. Take a step back. Look at your work from D1. The answers are right there.
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1. What are the aspects of Factions or Faction Rallies that you liked most? I enjoy the fact that it is something that can help us differentiate ourselves among the community. With everyone chasing the same stuff constantly it is a cool thing to be able to pledge to a faction. Along with the chasing weapons and armor that I enjoy. 2. What were features that you did not enjoy? I did not enjoy the fact that it was on a rotation. I think the game would greatly benefit from having something that is constantly grindable. For example, the only thing that I care about chasing the rest of the season is MT and i don't find myself driven to play like I do when content first drops because there is not much for me to chase at the moment. If factions were brought back the way they were in D1 with them being always available to grind, I think that would incentivise players to play activities that they usually only play when leveling is involved (strikes, gambit, flashpoint, Dreaming City stuff). 3. Have there been any other activities in Destiny or Destiny 2 that you thought Factions impacted in a good way? Ex: Lost Sector Grind - some people enjoyed it, while others really did not I did not mind the lost sector grind, maybe not letting you repeat the same one over and over. Like having 1 per planet give tokens or rep until you complete one on every planet to have players see more lost sectors. I think if you created a game mode in crucible that used factions in matchmaking that would be quite popular as well. Factions wars idk, something that helps make the choice we made matter on top of the weapons and armor we will be chasing. I think if factions are brought back to be a constantly grindable source of loot w/ random rolls then that will be a large step forward for the game in a sense that my time played will always be rewarded with something that I am interested in whether it be armor or weapons( or exotic class items) haha hope to see them back soon.
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I think factions need to go back to how it is in D1, where you can do bounties and grind for them anytime. Each faction should have specific armor, weapons, shaders, ghost, and emote. I think they need to make pledging a serious choice, maybe make it for a season or something. As far as Rallies, should still do them and have some specific quests that are difficult, but help your faction more. Also boons you can use if all fireteam member are of same faction it grants addition rep or whatever its called for factions. For winning the rally there should be some sort of pinnacle weapon along with maybe special mod and some cosmetic stuff for the winning faction. All factions compete for the same winning so that people dont pledge to a faction based on what weapon they win. Would also like to see lore added for factions they we can collect for triumphs
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Shared this a few months back but here are my thoughts. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/250958095/0/0
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Can we have it back like in d1 you had them all the time even add stuff to the guy you hand primes into give us back our packages for leveling up him again
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1. I liked being able to passively represent a faction in D1. Having them constantly around as an extra source of loot was fun, and repping the shaders/ships you got from them was really cool. I remember how happy I was when I got bittersteel for the first time....I used that one like, none stop for the next year. That being said, I do think keeping the faction rallies in, but tweaking them to offer season specific loot on top of regular loot (bring back hung jury pls), which you can acquire over 3 rallies a season, would be a good idea. The main point is that we don't want factions to exist /only/ during rallies. 2. Read: timed obsolescence. 3. I can't really think of them off the top of my head, but having certain factions involved in questlines was cool.......though....you shouldn't necessarily be forced to pledge to a faction for exotics ala No Time to Explain.
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Edited by GozerTheGozerian: 7/22/2019 2:54:06 PMYou had a winning formula with factions and destiny1.....why change it? Faction rallies is a stupid idea. Factions should function exactly like destiny 1.
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Give us d1 factions back that's what they would have always been. If you want to do a monthly rally fine, but they just need to be like d1 for the most part
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Hey dmg! I think the best system was the D1 one, with factions selling weapons every weeks, with the hidden exotic class item, that was great. I also liked the fact that it gave a purpose to lost sectors, even though grinding the same one over and over isn't that fun. In my opinion, it should get back to that system with a faction rally once a month or so with special activities, like faction pvp, SRL pvp, or Lost Sector control (each faction trying to control a lost sector). I feel like the competition in-game would help to feel like you be part of something. Oh, and of course it should also get quests, and lore! I think the factions lore is really interesting and not shown enough in game. Thank you if you read it ;)
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The best aspect on the faction rallies was the weapons, armors and shaders. Eventhough they were reskins they still have better looking shaders and armors. I think if yall bright back the rallies maybe make a set of faction armor similar to the solstice armor that has 3 unique looks as you level it up. The worse aspect was the fact that we had a 3 week rally thay required the most grindiest of grinds that had ever grinded. It wore you out. If you were to do another i say make it a month long event to where there was something exotic to work towards. Everybody would get it but whoever won may get an ornament for your specific faction. I think a good activity to do the next event for would be something similar to an haunted forest or a special new public event set somewhere that spawns like 3 walkers each in faction rally colors. I also think that adding some new factions would be nice. Maybe a Children of the Black Armory faction, a Dredgen Faction and a Calus Shadow faction.
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Maybe instead of focusing on 3 cult and there weapons maybe we elect who are the sub commanders of each class Like titan sub commander
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Hey DMG, I think that faction ralleys didnt grab the attention of the community the same as how factions worked in D1. D1 factions were a staple. We had characters assigned to each but we had our favourites. We fought over them ourselves. We loved the old system. You could had a monthly live event to this as well to give a bit more specialized rewards. As for faction rallies... it was horrible. The lost sector grind was tedious. You did not feel very rewarded or that your time was worth it. It felt boring and tiring. Raids were not rewarded well for time spent same with strikes and crucible. Lost sectors are boring (minus the tangled shore.) And had no real reason to blast through. I believe the D1 system worked better. Lost sectors should get some unique rewards associated with each one to make people want to run them. But IMO you guys are absolutely killing it at the moment, this is the best destiny has ever been. We all love the game you guys have made and I think you have found that the ones who love this game will stick with you.
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Factions are not faction rallies only.. there is so much more to factions than just gathering tokens in a lost sector.. how about quest lines, lore and faction grimoire . story missions connected to factions, throwback & memory missions, or just the ability to talk to those faction leaders.. remember when we could discover something in the lost sctors and the factions had soemthign to say _ or anything else that actually has involvement and lore and story and progression and immersion with those factions, learn about the history maybe even have a complete new story arc around the factiosn that includes geing back to those events when that particulat faction was shinign brightest in the past, or a whole campaign which leads to the election of a new speaker_ or the lack thereof.. massive unused potential here.. factions are not just rallies.
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I liked having each Guardian assigned to a different Faction. My Titan was FWC, Warlock Dead Orbit, and Hunter New Monarchy. When Bungie changed it to One Faction for all of your Guardians, I kinda lost my respect for Bungie when they took the variety away. Of all the things wrong with Destiny, when they made this change, my playtime went down to close to zero. If they were to bring it back, the chances of me returning, would be more than likely. I like variety!!! That's one of the many reasons Gamers play video games.
