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The Enemies of Shadowkeep

<With the release of Shadowkeep slowly crawling its way to the horizon, I think some speculation is in order. This will be about the enemies that we'll be encountering and their overall feel and even a possible hint at their motives. [b]The Taken?[/b]: While no Taken are shown on the Moon, the Taken forces that infiltrated the Ascendant Leviathan while Gahlran led the Hive in reality were led by an Ogre and Centurion. Both of them were "Born of the Hellmouth". This suggests something on the Moon is capable of Taking or otherwise producing Taken. [b]The Red Legion[/b]: The broken Cabal Red Legion makes a small appearance on the Moon, specifically in the First Light area of the map. They are most likely remnants of the missions there during the Red War. They are the most minor enemy faction on the Moon. [b]The Fallen[/b]: The Fallen House of Dusk will be returning to the Moon once more, perhaps implying that the House of Exile joined the group. They will be taking residence in the seemingly crashed ship that once hovered above the Temple of Crota, the Wolfship Kaliks-syn. Their presence isn't too notable, but they're there to add variety. [b]Unnamed Hive Brood[/b]: These are the Hive we've been fighting since our trip to Titan. They seem to be minor and only in areas once occupied by the other broods, but they're there nonetheless. They do not seem to be at conflict with the other Hive brood present on the Moon and are most likely there for assistance. [b]The Hidden Swarm[/b]: [url=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_iT3znXYAMtw_S.jpg:large]These[/url] guys are the main Hive force on the Moon. Veterans may recognize their red color and apparent love for sticking chains into their bodies. Their armor appears to be a mix of the D1 and D2 art styles. They took residence in and possibly built the massive scarlet fortress that lays around the Hellmouth. The fortress digs deep into the Moon's crust, either cementing the massive caves the Hellmouth dug, or they made new holes for breeding or excavation purposes. They may be linked to Savathun, but it's unknown whether the Moon is a side project or something else. [b]The Nightmares/Phantasms[/b]: [url=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_iT1epX4AAVe1g.jpg:large]These[/url] monstrous entities are the recreations of the foes slain by the Young Wolf over the years. Their exact origin is unknown, but somehow Eris managed to release them onto the Moon's surface. When they idle, they appear blood red and slightly transparent, with massive red veins protruding from their bodies. When approached, they solidify into their form and act accordingly. Bungie said these things were resurrected by the Darkness, their shadowy look and the veins that appear when idle back this up. One of the most interesting thing about the Nightmares is that they don't seem to care where their allegiance lies, as long as it isn't with us. Nightmare Taniks and Skolas got together with the Fallen group in the crashed Ketch and they didn't try to kill each other. Not only that, but the Cabal band on the Moon allied with Nightmare Ghaul and the Vex allied with Nightmare Zydron. All of these events so far have shown cooperation rather than destruction, as if they went with what they were doing before this all happened. Whatever Eris accidentally did and whatever the Hive seem to be intentionally doing added a psychological element to the Nightmares. Physical manifestations of enemies that we hated or had difficulties taking down. However, there are also manifestations of the souls of Guardians, seen surrounding Nightmare Crota and hovering around the scarlet citadel on the surface. They don't attack, but they don't act natural, either. Nightmare Omnigul is fought in the [Chamber of Night?] Nightmare Phogoth is fought in the Summoning Pits Nightmare Ghaul is fought in the First Light map Nightmare Taniks is fought in the [Seeder Launch area?] Nightmare Skolas is fought in the Wolfship Kaliks-syn Nightmare Crota is fought twice, once in the same room you fought his Soul and once in a recreation of his Throne World where he died last time Nightmare Zydron is fought beneath the Moon's surface, before a suspicious Vex Gate [b]The Sol Divisive[/b]: As seen at the bottom of picture 2, the Vex are backing up Nightmare Zydron. These aren't the programming we've been fighting throughout D2 though. These are Vex from the Black Garden, the Sol Divisive. They were the architects of the entire Solar System campaign in D1, and they were the primary worshipers of the Heart of the Black Garden. The Vex gate they're guarding with Zydron is likely another gate to the Black Garden, as the Mars one was destroyed and the Shadowkeep raid is in the Black Garden. Their purpose now is unknown. After the Heart was destroyed, the Divisive brought in the Undying Mind, an old Precursor Hydra, to detach the Garden from reality and back into the void it came from. It failed, but now it seems that the Vex got their act together, as the Garden lays suspiciously within view of the Earth and Moon. [b]Something Beneath the Surface[/b]: This isn't just about the Hive, or the Vex, or the Taken. Something undefined is beneath the Moon's surface, and it's not the Hive. Something different rests beneath the Moon, perhaps a vestige or a worm on a hook. Something is watching, and I have absolutely no clue how or when it got there.>

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  • Something undefined? Maybe another meatball pretending to be someone's sister? Maybe a hydra dressed up as Zavala's grandma? Perhaps a stomping boss with a gravel voice who is evil, just because? Sounds absolutely - boring. More tunnels, pits, and locked caves. The final battle should be fought in the Giant Rut that D2 is in.

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    • I think Oryx’s worm could make a return. In the lore for Bad Juju, Toland talks about a royal secret using death in a chrysalis. This could be Oryx, due to the fact that A. He is royal B. When killed in. King’s Fall, he seems to grow something around him as he falls into the rings of SATURN. Coincidentally, that’s where Titan is. Who’s to say that his body landed on Titan, and the worm came out as the Leviathan in the oceans. It has the appearance of a large worm, so it could be possible, which( would also explain the appearance of the Hive on this moon.

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      • So same enemies just on the moon and we have to pay to go back to the moon? Pass

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        • Edited by Tomaeus: 7/17/2019 4:55:14 PM
          Due to the rumors that Shadowkeep will have the Black Garden as its raid I hypothesize two things: 1) It is a Vex expansion masquerading as a Hive expansion. 2) The Nightmares are the Vex answer to the Hive's power to Take. Eris Morn accidentally freed some sort of fragment of the Darkness. The Vex stole it for themselves. And then used it to show the Hive that they too can wield the Darkness on their own. I recognize this is unlikely but if it were true it would be a hell of a plot twist. Originally the Vex were ominous. An evil that detests other evils. From the Taken King onward that changed. Now their mastery of the Darkness is being portrayed as amateurish relative to the Hive. The plot twist I describe would be the Vex's "am I a joke to you?" moment. The moment in which everyone in the Solar System has to reconsider how much of a threat they are. After all, Guardians can't be Taken. But are they immune to the power of the Nightmares?

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          • [quote]<led by an Ogre and Centurion. Both of them were "Born of the Hellmouth". This suggests something on the Moon is capable of Taking or otherwise producing Taken.>[/quote] An Ogre and Centurion, you say? I wonder if they are the same Ogre and Centurion you battle on the Dreadnought in Regicide...

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          • I hope we see Atheon and Oryx at some point. Also if they bringing back some of these strike bosses shouldn't somebody like Malok or the Darkblade come back too? They weren't just nobodies, far from it. Also with the raid being in the Black Garden Im calling it right now, the Undying Mind is the final boss. No way its not considering it was repairing the Garden and trying to lock it out of space and time. I think this mainly because of Imago Loop. Its name alone makes me think that the Undying Mind is going to be back.

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            • yep the moon has become an discount phantom zone and Eris is the jailer all she need now is Zod. Non and Ursa along with Freddy Krugger and Slenderman and lastly the K-fee Zombies .

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            • Everyone gangster till that phantasm of Crota pulls up

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              • Dude seriously you didn’t need to write a goddam novel All you had to write was 1 sentence All old D1 bosses with green shadow effects That’s it no new content here just bungies patent recycling

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                • Considering this is an Eris story.... nightmare cayde???

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                  • The enemy is what his face from the Y1 Warlock exotic helmet. I'm bloody calling it.

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                    • Nightmare Xol please.

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                    • % And with Toland seeming to have a little forgiveness for us, I say we might have an easier time in the ascendant realm in the future. Secrets that he may be hiding. %

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                    • I'd speculate that Eris Morne is either completely unaware and willingly taking the blame for something she doesn't understand (most likely), or complicit in what's happening and acting as innocent bait. She probably has nothing explicitly to do with it, as I suspect that it is in fact Quria using her Vex capabilities (and speculated self-awareness) to assume control over the Black Garden and is using the "darkness" as an augmentation to simulate the "Nightmare" enemies in real-time. Quria will probably be the Raid-Boss in Shadowkeep, or maybe the Black Heart returns in a more "definitive" form since the Black Garden is returning. Of which somewhere in the lore it says the original gate to the Black Garden was destroyed by the Red Legion when they swept in. The first season afterwords will likely be Quria if she hasn't shown up already, as it is Vex themed. Then the seasons afterwords with unfurl the Calus-vs-Savathun story arch that's been building up. I'd also speculate that in Destiny3, should the rumours be true of "Darkness Powers", that they are granted by Nokris/Xol. Of whom are heavily speculated to still be alive through unexplored ascendant-realms. Perhaps Nokris/Xol acquire the power of the "Taken" after Savathun is dealt with? This would also give lore context as to how game mechanics still make sense through their Necromancy, granted Ghost doesn't stay around via being corrupted itself. Perhaps Calus makes Nokris his "Hive Shadow" since a potentially mutual enemy (in Savathun) and him seemingly rejecting the same Sword-Logic that Calus mocks. Calus already has 2 contradictory lines in fact. One of him telling you to stick to the Light since you're good at it... the other of him postulating if he can tempt you into "dancing with the dark". Whatever happens in Shadowkeep and the following seasonal releases is going to directly implicate the events of Destiny3.

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                      • Edited by IceBreaker: 7/16/2019 4:02:47 PM
                        So more reskinned content? No thanks. Good post though 👍

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                        • We might actually see Vex Combat Frames.

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                          • Please refer to D1 for all you need to know about Shadowkeep content. Thank you and good luck guardian

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                          • Although the power of the darkness may be responsible for the nightmares, I think the raid boss will be Quria. Otherwise I don’t think a black garden raid makes sense.

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                          • Some reskinned version of a over used enemy pool like usual ! Duh ! Lame boring done to death as per Bungies usual efforts . Maybe Fallen for the 4th time Fallen , Wolves , Siva , Jail/Smoky guys dont remember name of them . At this point I be more impressed if they had Binkini Bottom and its citizens join the Darkness . Now that we’re Bad Men we will totally destroy you ! Right Patrick ! RIGHT !!! Spongebob Hahahhahahehehehe !!!! Since you know Bungie can’t have an original idea anymore .

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                            • Its the sequel to path ways into darkness.

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                            • Edited by Mk300mk: 7/16/2019 4:20:59 AM
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                              Peter Popoff needs your money to help u - old

                              1. Streamers 2. Reskins 3. Stubborn devs 4. Greed 5. Overall laziness

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                              • I wanna know why we infiltrate the black garden again most of the raids in d1 and d2 arent really mentioned the important ones are crota oryx and last wish the rest are just never really mentioned so I think the black garden raid is gonna put the last cliffhanger for d3

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                              • Destiny lore is so weird anything could happen cuz...magic? Another god, metaphysical entity or even pokemons.

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                              • The nightmares reminds me of uldren and what he went through.

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