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6/28/2019 8:06:07 PM
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The Community and Raids

I'd Sherpa anyone using any gun

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Good Luck with that

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I'd like to learn

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Hi Everybody, I'm not sure this is the correct place to put this, but I wanted to address an issue about raiding and the community. Earlier I read a disheartening thread where a fellow player mentioned that their raiding experiences since Destiny 2 release have not been as fun or as good as they were in Destiny 1. They mentioned that it was the mechanics of the raids, but after reading their statements it sounds more like a lack patience on their teacher's part that made the raid more difficult than it needed to be. This brings up a greater overall issue with the community. I'm not sure there is a dedicated spot for people to go where they want to learn the raid through hands on experience. A lot of the fireteams created for raiding have requirements like the participants are applying for a job. I remember in Destiny 1 you could go to a streamer or another person and put together a raid while carrying the worst guns, because your teacher was willing to spend time teaching you. I do want to mention that I am not speaking against having requirements for raids. If someone wants to create a fireteam and they have an idea for who they want on their team, then your fireteam members should fit that idea. It keeps people from getting frustrated and makes sure that newer raiding members steer clear of an environment where they will probably not be welcome. So, please, if you are looking for people with X thing then do keep adding those requirements. But there aren't many people out there just looking to help people get experience and completions with the raid. So, if you are reading this and want to learn the raid here is what I recommend. First, make sure you are 721 light. It just makes everything easier if your enemies aren't killing you faster while you are learning. Second, find a teacher and not just a raid guide. A lot of people learn better through first hand experience. If you need a teacher I am willing to teach Crown of Sorrows to anyone, just message me, reply to this thread -shrugs-, send a pigeon, and we can coordinate a time. Unfortunately I'm only on PSN right now, but next season I'll be on PC too. Third, and this is the most important part, be clear about what you need. If you are with a teacher and they say something that confuses you, wait until they finish and ask for clarification or for them to explain it differently. Don't place blame, but do ask for clarification, we all think and learn differently. For Sherpas, I think we need to make sure that the learners know we are out there. I currently have only sherpa-ed fellow clan members for the past couple of years, but I love teaching new raids. We also need to be aware that the same teaching method doesn't work for everyone, just because you explained something doesn't mean they understood. Be patient and understand that a teaching raid doesn't always get a completion, and that's ok. You can try again and they'll know more than they did before. The community is so focused on what guns are the best, and what is the optimal way to _____ that they forget some people just want to sit back and relax with their friends. Raids are end game content, but they are also something that a more casual player definitely has the skills to do.

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  • [quote]The community is so focused on what guns are the best, and what is the optimal way to _____ that they forget some people just want to sit back and relax with their friends.[/quote] The devs are so focused on what mechanic can make encounters longer, or more frustrating that they forget D1 raids were more fun and people could sit back and relax with their friends. Fixed it. I had over 100+ raid clears (normal and a few heroic, Oryx challenge lol) in D1, 6 in D2 so the elitists can stat-shame me if they want but me or most of my clanmates have no desire to do the raids in D2. They are not the same as doing raids in D1. They can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. The revive token system, throwing orbs around, set loadouts for prestige, shooting at invisible symbols, passing a buff that will kill you if it doesn't get passed, overboard mechanics are all things that kill most of the desire to complete them. Then they made it to where you had to play through everything with your other characters to level them up in preparation, instead of passing duplicate gear from your main and (now with the ridiculous infusion costs) infusing it to go back into content you already played through. All for what? A 0.04% chance at a weapon? Raids in D1 were doable without having to watch a video on how to do them without ruining the experience before you could complete it so it was a little more exciting. Shattered Throne is a perfect example of how good raids in D2 could have been (minus the asinine 45 sec. revive timer). Not too complicated and long enough to keep you entertained. I used to love doing a raid in D1 then changing characters and going right back into it as soon as we all got back together in orbit. There's just not that same desire for the raids in D2. I'd love to do all the raids every week on all 3 characters (other 2 are under level), but I don't want to get sherpad and make one mistake then get booted before the end because I didn't memorize the video before I came in (and I've watched them all on video since my clan doesn't want to do them). After watching them on video I know how they end so at least the streamers have that going for them: don't [u]have[/u]to play (or buy) the game to see what happens. If I don't buy Shadowkeep then I can just YouTube encounters to see what is going on.

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