[quote]The community is so focused on what guns are the best, and what is the optimal way to _____ that they forget some people just want to sit back and relax with their friends.[/quote] The devs are so focused on what mechanic can make encounters longer, or more frustrating that they forget D1 raids were more fun and people could sit back and relax with their friends. Fixed it. I had over 100+ raid clears (normal and a few heroic, Oryx challenge lol) in D1, 6 in D2 so the elitists can stat-shame me if they want but me or most of my clanmates have no desire to do the raids in D2. They are not the same as doing raids in D1. They can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. The revive token system, throwing orbs around, set loadouts for prestige, shooting at invisible symbols, passing a buff that will kill you if it doesn't get passed, overboard mechanics are all things that kill most of the desire to complete them. Then they made it to where you had to play through everything with your other characters to level them up in preparation, instead of passing duplicate gear from your main and (now with the ridiculous infusion costs) infusing it to go back into content you already played through. All for what? A 0.04% chance at a weapon? Raids in D1 were doable without having to watch a video on how to do them without ruining the experience before you could complete it so it was a little more exciting. Shattered Throne is a perfect example of how good raids in D2 could have been (minus the asinine 45 sec. revive timer). Not too complicated and long enough to keep you entertained. I used to love doing a raid in D1 then changing characters and going right back into it as soon as we all got back together in orbit. There's just not that same desire for the raids in D2. I'd love to do all the raids every week on all 3 characters (other 2 are under level), but I don't want to get sherpad and make one mistake then get booted before the end because I didn't memorize the video before I came in (and I've watched them all on video since my clan doesn't want to do them). After watching them on video I know how they end so at least the streamers have that going for them: don't [u]have[/u]to play (or buy) the game to see what happens. If I don't buy Shadowkeep then I can just YouTube encounters to see what is going on.