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6/25/2019 5:08:57 AM
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Scout rifles have been wrecked to find a place for Bows
As nice as a Bow could be in game, they've never felt as good as a D1 Scout
Until Bows have their position readdressed, Scouts will always be pushed aside
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There's nothing to readdress. Bows do what they were designed to do, and scouts do what they're designed to do. They just need a buff.
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I don't disagree with you, but it doesn't have to be this way. They just need to decrease the available zoom in scouts so that they can't compete at the same range as bows and it'll be all good. Snipers, then bows, then scouts, them whatever is next pulses I guess. The problem used to be that hcs had scout range .
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Edited by Demon_XXVII: 6/25/2019 10:32:50 PMYou don’t decrease the zoom on a scout You increase the optics (make them variable) increase the impact, magazine size, maybe increase the RoF & bringing them back to D1 standards & back into the loop And decrease the optimum range of pulse rifles - but up the RoF to allow them to compete comfortably mid-close ranges And then make Bows deadlier when delivering critical kills, (2 crits should equal death, but be harder to land as compensation) less Zoom, slightly harder/different to aim, but with less range (no bow should compete at range with a scout/sniper) give bows special perks for arrow heads, (press square to change arrow head types), twin arrows, silent kill mods etc Faster arrow time (earned through skills & mods) should allow them to compete with HC’s (similar ttk/impact) Imagine a Nightstalker Hunter with Oathkeepers & a bow that gives increased invisibility on silent critical kills!
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No bow should compete with a scout/sniper? Why? Because you feel that's right? We do space magic. Kill thousands of attacking aliens. Why can't space bow have a sniper scope and no drop? That's clearly where bungie wants them based on where they are now. Scouts are poop so you'll try bows more. Their ttk is insane compared to scouts.
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what's bad with competing with bows? giving people an option to choose a weapon they like the most? bows have their advantages which are not entirely because scouts are weak. not to mention they feel different and provide different gaming experience...
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I'm only talking about range if it's not obvious, and this is clearly where bungie wants them. Bows are better than scouts at distance right now. It you're going to argue they should be swapped you'll need more than just because.
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Huh? [quote]so that they can't compete at the same range as bows[/quote] They can't, and they never will. Because bows don't have/barely have any damage fall-off. That means they are already in that spot you're talking about. What's your point then?
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Bows are, but if you buff scouts damage then there has to be another change to keep them from making bows and snipers obsolete.
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What about buffing damage just enough to make them compete with bows but not outshine them?
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You're arguing with me like I want to keep things where they are. I'm just saying, obviously bungie wants this heirarchy because we're nearing the end of year two and scouts still suck. I would make a ton of changes personally, but it's obvious bungie doesn't want to make any. If I had to guess I'd assume that they blame scouts for the horrible team shot meta (mida) during the first part of D2. If they make them strong enough to compete with bows they'll take over the crucible.
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Edited by Maskerader: 6/29/2019 9:12:35 PMI'm arguing with you because your words sound like there are only two options possible: 1) bows are much better than scouts, no one uses scouts anymore; 2) scouts are much better than bows, no one uses bows anymore. My point is, there's another option available... And -beep- crucible. Bungie can adjusts weapon stats separately for PVE and PVP, it's possible to buff scouts in a way that doesn't break their precious PVP...
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No, I'm starting what I think their reasoning is. You don't need to argue with me that there are other ways to do this because I know that, and I just said for the umpteenth time that I would not do anything bungie had done. I suggested lowering the zoom in addition to buffing damage to improve scouts within what I assume is bungie's thinking.
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If you have a helm with enhanced bow targeting they are pretty amazing
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If they wanted arrows to compete with bullets they should have made crossbows. Hand drawn bows are basically sniper rifles with their rate of fire. They could have made a pump action crossbow if they want arrows to compete with scouts.
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They're bolt action snipers basically in this game. Fire slower, hit harder, basically the same or more range. They one hit a ton of red bars.
