[quote]My experience trying to find a team to do the Spire of Stars raids before penumbra comes out has given me an interesting look into how toxic the majority of lfg is, or just the community in general. For roughly a week or so I’ve been posting trying to get people together for the raid. First there’s the issue of just finding ppl in general, no ones willing to help out it seems. Apperantly if you’ve not done spire yet or have 10+ comepletions, you’re trash and they won’t “waste their time” on you. I ask how I’m supposed to get TEN completions if no ones willing to assist in getting ONE. It’s not like you can one man these things so you NEED a min of 4 ppl, and that’s if you can find 4 people who you can get on the same page with. The amount of times we’re waiting for ONE person and as soon as we find that one, another leaves, causing this shitty cycle. Raids should have a lock in mechanic or something. None of this, I’ve an hr so ima do a raid, oh wait we only got past one encounter, I gotta leave sorry guys. Then the team falls apart. I don’t mind teaching people, I get a little snippy if people don’t grasp simple things, but I can teach. Yet 99% of the community has the mentallity of, once you figure out said mechaics you act like you’ve known em from birth and call everyone else who doesn’t play destiny 24/7 trash. The -blam!- is the point in that? I’ve not been able to do spire of stars or scourge of the past because of these issues. It sucks. I’d really like to play this content, yet I am unable too becase of this high horse ego ppl seem to have. I get some people just suck in general, but what’s the harm in teaching someone if they want to learn, if they’re asking to learn? The amount of times I hear people just flip the -blam!- out because someone, who they said they were fine teaching, messes up on say shiro is too common. If I had a group of friends who played destiny, or friends in general I suppose it wouldn’t be a problem, but I don’t, so I need to rely on lfg to get all my raids done. Fun times. It sucks because im prob going to have to get on ebay, risk buying one of those raid team carries even though I don’t want a carry, just to learn so I can teach others. But if I have to spend 25 for normal and prestige, I’ll do it cause I want to learn and get it done. But it’s really sad I would need to do so. We can all come together to rage at Bungie for nerfing the -blam!- outta the guns we love, why cant we all come together and help ppl out and not call em trash for not being able to get 10+ clears in 10sec.[/quote] A lot of the problem lies with the newcomers to the game coming from fortnite and minecraft and all that stupid shit but yeah I hear ya all these trashbags relying on the metas and latest op shot and then calling someone else trash

I have never done a RAID in this game ever, will never get the weapons and quests done. I can not use voice chat, feels bad man! Forever alone :( I dream of completing the first raid, that is so low light level by now, still not soloable, if there where only missions for solo players to go through it , experience the story and content it has to offer.

I don't have any problem helping people that don't have many clears it's just when they lie to me about it. Like yesterday I was trying to get a quick run for Leviathan and I specifically asked everybody if they knew what they were doing so when we got to the gauntlet nobody would shoot a symbol being called. They all said yes... Sure enough we get to the gauntlet and what do you know, guy says dog bottom and literally every time they shoot the one thats being called. We finally get to Calus and some doofus on the left side of void does not know how to correctly look in front of him and call out the symbol so the people in throne can hit the correct psion. Nor does he know how to shoot projections in the void. It's not that we think those people are trash but we have already experienced what wiping over, and over, and over feels like and we really dont want that.And I seriously don't understand whats so hard about telling people that you don't know what you're doing. I would much rather have somebody open to the fact they are clueless then somebody secretly griefing because they dont want to be caught. On the other hand I usually am forced to use LFG for Raids because most of my friends aren't that good at raiding or they just don't like it at all. So it puts me in a pretty tough spot to trust whether or not people actually know what they are doing so I dont spend 5 hours of my day wiping at Kali. I understand that some people may find that fun and exciting but I personally dont want to spend my day in one encounter to earn a bad rolled Transfiguration.

I wish they would offer a simpler, matchmade version of the raids that offered less rewards. I don’t like raids. They are convoluted and annoying. I don’t want to play them but I feel like I’m missing out on part of the experience by not playing them. I’d gladly do a version of each raid that was more like a long strike with light mechanics, with matchmaking, even if it meant I only received ONE piece of raid gear each week and doing so locked me out of doing the current convoluted versions. I want this game, ANY game to be fun over anything else. Spending 7 hours trying to complete a single activity, stopping and waiting as people come and go midway through, only to not even finish it is the opposite of fun in my opinion.

2 main problems, low game population, and the fact that only about 5-10% of the community even raids to begin with, which compounds on the low game population. Makes me wonder why Bungie spends so much time and effort on raids.

I haven’t played D2 in a long time; just happened to be looking through the forums because of the recent nerfs, and came across this post. This is why I quit playing the game. The community is toxic and unwelcoming, especially when it comes to the raids. I also left because I’m generally tired of the pervasive racism/sexism/homophobia that exists in online, social games. If you are having trouble finding a group of people to raid with, I’d suggest quitting the game. I did, and I’m much happier for it. Good luck.

i'd much rather play raids with AI BOTS

I lost all interesting raiding long ago. Between obnoxious players, open mics, rudeness and immaturity, I can't bring myself to do it anymore. Give us a raid that requires zero communication and I'd run it weekly.

If on xbox hit me up. my buddies and I can help.

What console do you play on? I'll be more than happy to help.

Honestly, from my experience, don’t use LFG to learn raids. The majority of the time it’s a crapshoot for teams (and usually crap more than anything). The best case scenario if you have to use LFG would be finding a group that’s teaching a newbie friend. Contact a sherpa. There’s a whole sherpa reddit and different sherpa clans if you do some searching. If you’re on XB, I can help you if our schedules align. I try and do a newbie run at least once a week.

Probably more of a population issue. The amount of players searching to do that raid is probably very small.

This has been a issue since D1 days, this is why I have such a bad outlook on LFG because you either have to wait hours to even start a raid if you can even find a team then you get elitists, squeekers or toxic players that boot you from team at chests or people cussing worse than a sailor... In D1 it was about if you had a ghally or not, in D2 it's about how many you have completed raids and knowledge.. Bungie has failed on trying to do this whole fireteam thing and they know it but they simply don't care.. I have never done a raid in D2 like I have in D1, D1 I did all the raids np at all but in D2 I won't even touch LFG, in D1 I ended up using Facebook and found Destiny community groups and found some great people that way :)

Bungie incentivizes elitism. It wasn’t done intentionally at first, back in D1, but they have fully embraced it since. They don’t recognize or care about people like you, or people like me, who, until recently, was the leader of a clan that I had dedicated to finding people like you - someone skilled at endgame AND willing to help others do things they couldn’t otherwise do. I’ve seen so many people move from “I can’t” to becoming raid leaders, admins and clan leaders. But I had to stop. In the end, it’s like doing a job that enriches someone else for no pay, no recognition, no help, only to have them start to actively work against you because [b]they choose[/b] to support, incentivize, and design for people who only ever play with others as good as them. Maybe you’re a streamer, idk. But the fact that you are willing to help others with endgame puts you among the most important people in this game. You are the ones making this all work. Bungie doesn’t deserve you. If I were you, I’d seriously consider standing up for yourself. Cuz right now, the inmates are running the asylum.

I dont know what platform your on but on PC I have one toxic person very rarely and as a sample size I have over 101+ clears in last wish 67 clears SOTP. Im also the kind of person to avoid post that require over 5+ clears bc tbh clears dont mean shit as long as you got at least one. I met a guy who got rivens bane the run we were on and didnt know how the read and run for vault encounter. Also as someone who "plays destiny 24/7" I totally get not wanting to teach SOS that raids is -blam!-ing buggy and if you dont know what youre doing and the raid bugs out new players dont know what to do in that scenario in order to not make it a wipe. many people do different things for the final encounter to make it a little more manageable and with more variables and relying on more people increases the margin for error its insane. I only have 10 clears of SOS total and only 2 of those are prestige I honestly recommend simply not running that raid for just how -blam!-ing messed up it is and since they keep killing sleeper for no reason there is no reason to run that raid unless you want an outdated emote or just the number 1 on your raid tracker. As for SOTP That raid can be done with only half the team understanding whats going on but that makes the run a little too scuffed for some people so I get why people dont want to teach. for a lot of people at this point running it is just a chore to get out of the way and get disappointed as quickly as possible so they can wait till next week to be disappointed again. When you can compete SOTP with an educated group in about 25 minutes vs about double that time or more I can understand why they dont want to teach bc at this point a majority of people know what they are doing so honestly the best way to get clears and learn is to jump into raids not week one but week two or three bc thats the sweet spot for people that want to teach as much as possible so later on they dont have to teach and finding educated groups is miles easier. I know all of what I just said doesnt help you get your clears but just something to keep in mind just bc someone doesnt want to take you through the raids doesnt make them toxic its not their job to take you and your not entitled to an educated group to basically lead you every step of the way when the next raid comes out in about a week. people who would be teaching are raid prepping so they can teach come week two of season of artificial difficulty so people like you can hop in the raids when they should be instead of two entire season late and be able to do them later down the line. going through these expansions this is the cycle youll always see time and time again.

The best time to do a raid is anywhere during its latest release. You wanna do Crown of Sorrows on June 4th? Try to be raid ready by the upcoming week or the next. Even elitists will understand and take you in. By that point a guide might already be out. You can familiarize yourself and hop right into a team. Once that raid or any other raid has been out for months, people start just wanting people to kwtd. And that's not bad in my opinion. In their eyes, if you wanted to do the raid, you would've grinded your ass off to be raid ready. It sucks for newer players or people with busy schedules, but if you have time, it's almost as though you have no excuse to not have done the raid if you're a regular raider. I'm a regular raider. So I'm gonna grind my ass off to be prepared for crown of sorrows. You should try as well. If anyone needs help getting an ethereal key today before reset so they can save it for after C. O. S. is completed by a team, I'm willing to teach.

It’s because lots of players have left the game

99% of the community is full of ego and no life players with high blood pressure. When you find that 1% that goes outside and just likes to have fun, you’ll have fun with the game.