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Edited by ParrotTom: 5/22/2019 6:08:37 PM
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Keep in mind Thorn has poisen that stacks 5 times and ticks 4 or 5 times each. In PVP without the buff that means the poison does 40-50 damage, with the buff that gives potentially infinite ammo that damage is raised to 7 per tick adding up to 112-140 damage not including the damage of Thorn's shots adding a potential 136 on the first 2 shots. Monarque does more poison, but only stacks 2 times, if you're in a rift you'll probably one shot wigh it. In PVP I would prefer Monarque because of it's longer range and AOE poison and 150 HCs sucking on console, but I prefer Thorn in PVE because of it's higher potential dps and ammo economy.
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  • I'm talking PvP. Even powered up the DoT is pathetic. It's not an actual threat in PvP.

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  • There's no denying Thorn's poison is shit without Soul Devourer, but there's not much they could do with it. D1 Y1 Thorn was OP as well as a crutch for p****** who couldn't play in a way that required skill and Y2 was useless out of PVE. Current Thorn though give us a better Thorn than before if you can manage the recoil and bloom. Without SD it's really there just for tracking and preventing regen.

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  • Except the Dot lasts for about 1.5 seconds so it's not useful for either of those things.

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