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I hate being forced to use it in end game content so I like the change.
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  • you aren't forced to use. There are significantly better ways to do encounters, with an exception to insurrection prime and argos. the other encounters all have much better ways to do them, whisper is the safest option, but not the best. so no, you are not forced to use whisper. just to give some examples: using legend on morgeth, thunderlord on most encounters, polaris lance on calus, guaranteed 4 plate. i guess outbreak on literally any fight cause maybe a bit strong, just a little, only slightly good. If an lfg group forces you to then they have an elitist problem.

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  • Same here man. The salt is real right now. I love exotic primaries, but they don't exist in end game content, or you are "bringing thr team down". The nerf was waaaaaaay overdue.

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  • Better way to do that is to stop making big slow moving bosses. That weapon is extremely difficult to use on anything else. Problem solved.

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  • There isn’t a single encounter that forces you to use whisper.

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  • Lfg raid groups yes

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  • [quote]Lfg raid groups yes[/quote] i disagree, i only do lfg and not one single team has ever told me i have to use whisper of the worm. not to mention that you aren't forced to, there are other ways to do every encounter, and those other ways in most situation are more efficient at doing said encounter. the exceptions being insurrection prime, and argos. here is something from my friend, "i weep for you" cause we always tell people if they dont have whisper than to use like darci.

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  • Make your own group. The only one is possibly scourge groups for the end boss. But at this point you might as well use Darci or outbreak. With the ammo nerf to whisper most people I see miss some shots and don’t have ammo for a second round. Especially when you throw shield crits into the mix.

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  • We make our own. You still get randoms who start getting whiny if there is a team wipe or two, regardless of whether it had anything to do with an exotic someone was using.

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  • They can use it if they have it. Otherwise if you wipe look at who is doing damage and who isn’t and adjust accordingly. If someone sucks with a sniper whisper isn’t going to help when they run out of bullets. They’d be better of with Darci or sleeper especially if they have respective ammo finders and/or reserves. I have 38 scourge clears and 52 last wish clears. All of those were lfg I would have more clears but I stop running them when I hit max light because what’s the point. That being said the only place where it comes in handy is the end of scourge. It is still not a necessity. The amount of lfg raids where you can tell someone is doing a recovery is incredible. Those recovery accounts generally have crap for weapons and you can hear the guys going seriously you don’t even have such and such. Yet they seem to get it done.

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  • I don't disagree with you. It is all about the perceived value of the weapons, not the actual value. Raids are stressful enough. I don't need people whining about some else's load out on top of everything else.

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  • The ones I see that whine about your weapons generally tend to be the bad ones. The ones who can’t carry their own weight so they want the rest of the team to pick up their slack.

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  • Heh true that

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  • I agree. I don’t like the weapon and every thing I see on how to defeat something is whisper. Doing encounters without whisper becomes immensely harder so your forced to use it. Soloing vorgeth in the shattered throne and I couldn’t meet the dps to get it beat. Tried many different combos. Switched to whisper and did it in two phases. Nothing could compete with that. It will still do a ton of damage and outclass other weapons you just can’t do it for every single encounter.

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  • Plenty of people killed him solo without whisper.

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  • Yeah like 30 people who stream. Out of hundreds of thousands

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  • I dont stream and I solod Vorgeth using DARCI, and Ive also solod him using Hammerhead and Telesto, though I didnt beat Dul Incaru that time lol.

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  • I hear ya. All I am saying is of the entire player base how many have even done regular shattered throne, let alone solo it. Maybe.... 40% at most. More likely 25%. Out of those how many have solo'd it? Only a small, small percentage of the community.

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  • Shattered Throne isnt designed to be Solo-able, the fact that certain players can solo it is a huge testament to their skill and perseverance. If you want everybody to be able to Solo it, then it isnt challenging anymore. If you want it to be un-soloable, then it is no longer worth being good at the game. Pick your poison 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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  • I don't mind there being prestige to an activity, but if one gun stands above other options in an activity you have to ask if there is some problem there. I am totally fine not soloing it. My beef is mainly with the public, lfg perception that certain exotics, subclasses rule all and you are dragging the team down if you don't use them. I say that as a sentinel titan main who loves using fighting lion lol. Meta guys hate me hah, but dps wise you can kewp pace with the right legendaries. So tired of using melting point and whisper/sleeper/wardclif. So tired of having lfg guys get mad at me just for being a titan, let alone using one of the non holy exotic heavies. Outbreak prime is a breath of fresh air.

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  • Edited by Redbone: 5/17/2019 7:17:48 PM
    [i]Bungie didnt ask if there was a problem, they Unilaterally decided it was so without asking.[/i] [u]That is the problem.[/u] [b]Dont expect to be taken seriously in LFG if you arent running a serious loadout.[/b] Whisper was not an uncontested Meta. [b]Acrius[/b] has higher DPS, [b]DARCI[/b] has higher DPS, [b]Prospector[/b] has higher DPS, [b]Wardcliff[/b] has higher DPS. [b]Lord of Wolves[/b] has a higher DPS, [b]Outbreak Prime[/b] has a higher DPS, [b]Anarchy[/b] has a higher DPS. [b]One-Thousand Voices[/b] matches ifs burst DPS. Im not sure how you can be sick of a Wardcliff PvE meta that existed for less than 2 months btw... [u]Borealis[/u] is Competitive, [u]Merciless[/u] is Competitive, [u]Izanagi’s Burden[/u] is Competitive, [u]Telesto[/u] is Competitive, [u]Tractor Cannon[/u] is Competitive, [u]Polaris Lance[/u] is competitive... [b]If you run Fighting Lion and expect to be doing as much damage as Whisper[/b], or any of the powerful exotics mentioned above, You are part of the problem.

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  • Edited by Vegalink: 5/17/2019 8:05:18 PM
    Never said fighting lion has the same dps. I said it was more fun. I am fine on occasion running "serious" loadouts. I actually run prospector alot. WAY more fun than whisper, wardcliff and quite a few others. But what should define a "serious" load out? You KNOW people aren't all crutching on anarchy. Or prospector. Or lord of wolves. Are those better than whisper at dps? Yes. Have you ever seen an lfg post demanding you have them? No. Or if there is a random one then it is rare at least. The problem isn't whether whisper, sleeper and such are the only viable options. The problem is that much of the community thinks that they are and expects you to only use them. Also man 2 months of wardclif is enough. That thing was already fantastic in pve before the buff. Used it to destroy nokris when getting my osprey for wayfarer. That gun is the most ridiculous, unpredictable gun around. They had to buff the damage because so it MIGHT have great dps since most of the rockets would just fly off into the unknown.

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  • Well I dont use LFG on the forums so there inlies your problems. Join a clan.

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  • That is not the solution. Also I am in a clan.

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  • You don’t get to make other players experiences worse just because you are unsatisfied with the games Meta in PvE. Thats not how Power-Fantasy works. [b]If you dont like the gun, dont use it.[/b] But no, instead you would rather ruin OTHER players experience. Why do you have to force your opinions down other peoples throats..? Why cant you just let people have them??

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  • Alright. I think this is becoming unproductive. I am sorry for your loss.

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