Since they have a time machine, why not go back in time and save iron man and widow from right before they die?
Also Thor had an entire quest line explaining how he got that powerful not to mention actual characterization, CM is just a political prop with 0 characterization and very shitty reasoning as to why she is as powerful as she is.
Black widow is a better character than CM. Should have been her vs Thanos, not miss politics.
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[quote]Since they have a time machine, why not go back in time and save iron man and widow from right before they die?[/quote] Did you even watch the movie? Every bit of that question is explained [i]in the movie[/i]. Someone [i]has[/i] to die to get the Soul Stone. And someone [i]had[/i] to use the Infinity Gauntlet to kill Thanos army to win. Remember the part from Infinity War about the [b]one[/b] timeline in which they win? That was that exact timeline. By changing anything, they would have lost.
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[quote][quote]Since they have a time machine, why not go back in time and save iron man and widow from right before they die?[/quote] Did you even watch the movie? Every bit of that question is explained [i]in the movie[/i]. Someone [i]has[/i] to die to get the Soul Stone. And someone [i]had[/i] to use the Infinity Gauntlet to kill Thanos army to win. Remember the part from Infinity War about the [b]one[/b] timeline in which they win? That was that exact timeline. By changing anything, they would have lost.[/quote] Yes I watched the movie. Did you? Because Gamora came back, despite being killed for the soul stone. So, using the movies [i]own logic[/i], Black Widow could also be saved using the same method. And, they could have just done the same thing for Tony.
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The Gamora came from a different timeline.
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Some one to always die to get the soul stone. If they go back in time to get anyone back, they will no longer have defeated Thanos because without all the stones, no one can snap Thanos. Thus someone will always have to die. So if they went back in time to get Black Widow, she will have to be brought back BEFORE she dies and since she would no longer be in the past and helped get the soul stone, the Avengers would NOT have it and thus Thanos would still win.
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That’s not how that works.. at all.
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That was a different Gamora from a different timeline. Did your miss that too?
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Irrelevant.
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Edited by IceApfel: 4/27/2019 8:32:35 PMSo you realized you had no point?
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I said, it’s irrelevant. They still could have saved iron man and Widow in the context of the universe we know.
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You don’t seem to understand. The Avengers need every Infinity Stone to bring back those that Thanos dusted. To get the Soul Stone, someone has to sacrifice themselves. No way to avoid this death. If they went back in time to save Widow, they wouldn’t get the Soul Stone, thereby failing their plan. Tony died while using the Infinity Gauntlet to erase Thanos and his army. If Tony hadn’t done that, they would have lost. Tony has to die for them to win. They also can’t go back in time to bring those characters back, because they are from different timelines. For example: Gamora. She was from the past and wasn’t the same as our Gamora. They were two separate people with two separate memories. Moreover, if they went back and still brought them back from different timelines, these timelines would fall into ruin. They explained that in the movie. And lastly: Doctor Strange said that there is only one possible future/timeline in which they win. That means that there is only one chain of events that will lead to victory. That chain is the movie. Would they have changed anything about the way they acted, they would have lost. It was like a pre set path. They couldn’t change it. So next time actually watch the movie instead of complaining about Captain Marvel, stop being a prick after seeing the movie and accept corrections. It’s so much easier.
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Edited by Neko Neko Nya: 4/28/2019 8:25:25 AMExcept you’re forgetting that changing the past DoEsNT ChaNgE tHe FutUrE. So according to your own logic, it wouldn’t matter. Not to mention that the bald lady only talks about the stones, not objects. Unless you’re implying that when Hawkeye took back the glove it caused irreversible damage to that world (spoiler alert, it doesn’t.) And I fail to see how CM destroying the entire enemy command ship that was able to blacken the sky despite claiming not to give a shit about earth (there are a thousand worlds like yours that don’t have a defense or whatever idiotic quote she says) is even comparable to someone like Thor who literally went on a quest to get more powerful, nearly died several times on it, and even then only managed to kill a couple dozen enemies. Thor feels so much better as a character because we actually see why he got so much power. CM is just “tee hee an engine exploded so we don’t need to give any more context or characterization. If you don’t like it you’re sexist reeeeeeeeee!” Honestly this shit is getting old and if you disagree, go back to 2016 where you belong.
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When they went back in time, they went into another timeline. Not their own past. They did that because of the same reason you mentioned. Everything that happened in the past, has already happened. Therefore, they need to go into a [i]different[/i] timeline to be able to make change. In the scene between the Ancient One and Professor Hulk, she explains that taking the stones from a different timelines will leave those in ruin. That’s because the stones were needed to defeat “the evil” in that timeline. Same thing applies to Tony and Widow. If they went to another timeline to snatch that Widow from there, that would mean two things: 1. It’s a [i]different Widow[/i] 2. The timeline from which they took her, doesn’t have a Widow anymore 3. The Avengers never get the Soul Stone in that timeline Same thing for Tony. If they pull him into their timeline, it’s a different Tony and the timeline he came from looses to Thanos. They could probably do exactly that, but it would simply mean that other timelines fall into even more chaos. The Ancient One explained that [i]in the movie[/i]. If you think that matters or not is opinion based, but the Avengers decided that they didn’t want to destroy other timelines to win in theirs, so your idea might have worked, but wouldn’t be a good solution at all.
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[quote]When they went back in time, they went into another timeline. Not their own past. They did that because of the same reason you mentioned. Everything that happened in the past, has already happened. Therefore, they need to go into a [i]different[/i] timeline to be able to make change. In the scene between the Ancient One and Professor Hulk, she explains that taking the stones from a different timelines will leave those in ruin. That’s because the stones were needed to defeat “the evil” in that timeline. Same thing applies to Tony and Widow. If they went to another timeline to snatch that Widow from there, that would mean two things: 1. It’s a [i]different Widow[/i] 2. The timeline from which they took her, doesn’t have a Widow anymore 3. The Avengers never get the Soul Stone in that timeline Same thing for Tony. If they pull him into their timeline, it’s a different Tony and the timeline he came from looses to Thanos. They could probably do exactly that, but it would simply mean that other timelines fall into even more chaos. The Ancient One explained that [i]in the movie[/i]. If you think that matters or not is opinion based, but the Avengers decided that they didn’t want to destroy other timelines to win in theirs, so your idea might have worked, but wouldn’t be a good solution at all.[/quote] Ok, so they just go into a timeline where thanos never existed to begin with and said characters are about to die anyways and save them that way. According to your own logic it would have no effect on the world since they were doomed anyways and nothing would change.
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I guess that could work, but still they still wouldn’t be the same people. They probably would have different memories and developed differently. In a timeline where Thanos never existed, there probably wouldn’t even be Avengers, since it was Thanos that gave Loki the scepter and sent him to earth. The heros would probably still exist, but they would have lived vastly different lives than the ones we know. Thanos made a big impact to the entire MCU, even before he himself appeared or fought. Again, while your idea might have worked, it’s a cheap cop out and would have made for a vastly worse movie.