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Edited by SuperJohnJohn: 4/19/2019 9:30:07 PM
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Should the Government Step in and Solve More of Your Problems?

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No.

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Guiding Questions: What is the obligation of government. Should it be an actor in society, or just provide structure? Is government intervention in non-legal issues a good thing or no? should the government be in the business of legislating morality? Please discuss below

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  • I wouldn’t mind them trying to help with global warming, Arizona been getting toasty the last 20 years... [spoiler]Sips Tea[/spoiler]

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  • No. I'd just like them to stop running up trillion dollar deficits, creating endless wars we can never win, and pave some -blam!-ing roads.

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  • Most of my "problems" are due to Government involvement. Taxes Taxes Taxes And oh yeah, taxes.

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    • I have almost gone my full forty days of lent without getting political on B.net, I’m not about to stop now

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      • Yes I'm facing the enormous problem of not being a millionaire. Please step in.

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        • If our government was a small as the founding fathers intended black people wouldn't be able to sit with white, children would still work in factories, we'd all be dying from asbestos poisoning and we would probably still have slaves.

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          I would not trust them to buy me a jar of Miracle Whip, the -blam!-ers would most likely come back with a 5-pack of socks.

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          • [quote]Guiding Questions: What is the obligation of government. [quote]To protect the natural rights of the residents(Life liberty, property that kinda stuff [/quote] Should it be an actor in society, or just provide structure? [quote]Both, it provides a structure I it’s very existence but in order to uphold the obligation it must also be an actor [/quote] Is government intervention in non-legal issues a good thing or no? [quote] Generally causes more problems then I t solves. [/quote] should the government be in the business of legislating morality? [quote]Hell no, put simply the morality of the government is inherently different then the individual morality of the citizenship. Things shouldn’t be illegal simply because they’re morally wrong but because they infringe on the rights of others. Sometimes those will overlapse of course [/quote] Please discuss below[/quote]

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          • In my opinion: The government should be an entity that- - creates and enforces laws and regulations - provides services to it's citizens The details of what the laws are, what the services are, how they are enforced and implemented, should be created solely on the collective will of the people as a whole. So ideally, rather than a politician running for office, and saying "I believe this, this, and that! I will change the government and our laws to make it happen!' and then creating a following based on that, the collective voice of the people dictates that a certain way if life is to be upheld, and the government officials implement that without power to influence it based on their own opinion. So the job of politician has the celebrity aspect removed entirely, and is more of an administrative role that merely puts in place the policies dictated by the citizens. I concede that this is idealistic and would require an entire mindset shift in all of society for it to really work.

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          • That is literally their job, so yeah.

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          • If they want to solve my problems they will have to do an in depth investigation into the company I work for and close them down for all the bs that they do an throw all the hypocrite leadership in jail

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            • Just keep everything in perspective. You know that idiot standing over there? Or the one standing over there? Or those over there? Yeah, those are the same people in government, and you want them to have power over you? A government should always fear the people, not the other way around.

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            • Edited by Partisan: 4/20/2019 10:21:15 PM
              I guess the short answer is "yes" and the long answer is "yes, and I care much more about the framing in the topic title and much less about the framing in the topic body" People spend a lot of time developing strong rhetoric on What The Government Is For and What The Founding Fathers Would Have Wanted and then use that to guide their thinking on Is This Good Policy. This should make sense, but it often leads to different (worse) decision-making than if you were just to look at Is This Good Policy as a problem-solving exercise. I think about the Conservative austerity economics of the Great Recession in this way, where the philosophical argument was that it was not the government's role to intervene to prevent suffering, and the moral argument was that people who were suffering had sinned, and their suffering would teach them to become better people; if I never hear the phrase "belt-tightening" again, it will still be too soon. The problem was that this was extremely stupid economics, and extremely poor problem-solving, and directly made life worse for millions of people-- even if it was Peak Political Moralistic Philosophy. All this to say, when it comes time for the government to do or not do something, it doesn't seem like such a bad idea to be biased towards a narrow view of what the merits of that policy are. And when I take a broad look at what the government is doing now, and whether it could do more to solve problems, I usually walk away thinking that it could.

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            • Hey if Trudeau wants to come down and help me solve my problems, I wouldn’t mind. He’d probably be a pretty good wingman

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            • The Founding Fathers meant for us to have limited government and anything else is a piss on their grave

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              • Not a chance in hell !!!! No need to explain.

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              • If one says yes, then they are handing over their lives. People are corrupt it's all about identity politics, and the identity is against freedom of speech, and being pc. If they have all the power in the country then they decide what pc is. People are losing their jobs for saying what they want, being banned, for what they say. What has happened to freedom of speech?

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                • You’re obviously going to trigger some people who don’t want the government to tighten gun laws, or have an opinion on universal healthcare or free college for the masses. But for everyone who says “no”, let’s not be dramatic. If it weren’t for government being involved in your life (federal, state, local or municipal) you would probably be uneducated, diseased, and drinking dirty water. Your employer would be able to work you 24 hours straight and fire you if you refused. Ever heard of that federal agency called the Corp of Engineers, you know the one that builds a lot of the dams where get your electricity, water treatment plants that provide you drinking water, levies and bridges? Postal service, Medicaid and Medicare, peace Corp, veterans affairs, immigration, agriculture, defense, immigration, energy, etc etc. As far as legislating morality, one thing that has made this country great is the fact that our government has laws in place to protect it’s citizens rights and freedoms (different from morals and religion). So no, government should not tell you what is moral, because we are all different backgrounds and religions. The state should have no say so on if you go to church every Sunday, if you get an abortion, who you mary, but you do have the right to education, a fair trial, and to not have others impinge upon your civil liberties. There is some overlap when it comes to moral rights and civil rights, like murder, theft, etc. but for the most part a person can own an arsenal of guns, vote for Trump, sleep with a bible under their pillow, and the person across the road can burn the American flag, worship the devil, and have swinger parties and both people are within their right to do these things. They may not agree with each other morally, but that’s not what government is for. Government is there to make sure person A can’t go to person B and demand that they stop.

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                • Edited by CallMeDFS: 4/20/2019 6:42:05 AM
                  I think gov't should be over all reserved and shouldn't intrude on the actual running of a country, but should only provide structure. However, society can't be trusted to run itself. Especially today. You see all over the news how one problem is brought to attention and you switch the channel and seemingly eight more pop up. One day a new monopoly arrises out of nowhere, and then there's a police shooting in a city, and then a string of cop murders arise out of retaliation, and then the global temp has increased by a small fraction of a degree, and you see some one liter in the street. People just either don't care, or care too much, and it's dangerous when people play in those extremes. Not saying we should have more gov't, a lot of problems come from too much, but we just can't trust the society we created these days with leaving them unchecked.

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                • Well how else am I supposed to turn bread into toast.

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                  • Nope.

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                    • Government IS the problem, half the time. Big, bloated, overpowered, corrupt, and about as trustworthy as a cobra. The total antithesis of what the constitution designed it to be.

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                      • I don't trust the American to not be competent. Government is built to keep order and prevent anarchy, more would likely mean dumb legislation, more incentive to bri- I mean "lobby" politicians, gerrymandering, etc. If the government wasn't corrupt, I'd support slightly more interaction with them.

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                      • The government shouldn’t legislate morality. Because the question becomes who’s morality are they legislating? Christians? Muslims? Atheists? Conservatives? Liberals? The role of government should be to step in and ensure individual rights are protected. Not to enforce some arbitrary sense of morality. That means they have no say over the day to day beliefs and morals of the population. The guiding principle of society should be “my right to swing my fist ends at your nose”. Governments should only step in when one individual violates the rights of another individual.

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                        • [quote]No no, comrade, OUR problems[/quote] ^Wyoming

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                        • No. Relying too much on outside sources will make you lazy and entitled. I'm not saying you [i]shouldn't[/i] rely on people, but if you rely [i]too[/i] much, the above happens.

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