There are only 4 pinacle weapons for PvP. 2 of them are not stellar, fine by me.

I am playing Comp. trying to get Lunas Howl........Fix the match making! it's absolutely ridiculous how un-evenly the matches are. I'm not even going to go into the cheating that goes on. But you do have control over the match making. It's broken plain and simple. I will likely never get this gun because I will not cheat, or pay someone to play it for me. My friends are so disgusted with crucible that I can't even find 3 other players to form a fire-team. Therefore I have to play with randoms. I routinely get matched against others that are far better than I am. Fix the bloody match making!!!!

This is absolutely ridiculous, I've hopped on destiny 2 for the first time in like 6 months, to see Forsaken, so I purchase it, because I like this game and I purchased it because I heard the last word was back.... BUT then i find out, I have to pay 35 dollars just to get the quest for the last word? That's bs... that's basically pay to win in the crucible

Losing points for a loss is a seriously bad idea. With bad match making and terrible ranking systems in place it’s hardly fun. You could beat a top 1% player and get the same rewards as beating a scrub. Top players have it easy and get the same rewards from farming those scrubs. It’s like a heavyweight champion boxer padding his record on amateur fly weights and taking the title.

PVP is broken at the moment and the announcement that trials will not be coming back any time soon just worsens the situation. From the outside looking in, it does not even seem that big a deal to fix:- Trials - you want to create a new model for the mode, awesome, great, wonderful. In the meantime bring back the oold trials of osiris - 3v3 elim. Put in some weapons with random rolls, they don't need to be Luna's / not forgotten level good, just ok weapons that would be great with the right perk combo, and make that perk combo rare Comp - the loss of points for losing a game makes people not want to bother as it's pointless (thats the feedback I get from friends) so that needs to go away or be re-worked. No comp game in the real world works like that, they are all "big reward for win, small reward for draw, nothing for loss". In the current environment a loss is not just 30 points taken away from your progress. It's actually (approx) 60 point loss as you also do not get the points for winning and there is no draw mechanic to mitigate it. Quickplay - a gentle matchmaking needs to be implemented in this playlist, or at the very least some sort of amnesty on pinnacle weapons. It is no fun for the 'normal' player getting pub stomped by stacked teams running lunas/not forgottens, dust rock, wardcliffe. If they do not want to do that then create a limited quickplay playlist where weapons are locked for the week, or whatever