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2/11/2019 5:20:35 PM
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Yes, Activision left. The company return on equity dropped from 11.57% in 3rd quarter 2017 to 2.83% in 4th quarter 2017, and just happened to single out Destiny as underperforming and failing to re-engage the waiting players. They know Bungie is dragging them down (and other dev titles, but Destiny was one of the biggest offenders) and they cut the cord. I don't care what rosy picture Bungie painted with the announcement, that's what really happened. Bungie [i]should[/i] be more engaging and customer driven than ever. But I just don't see it. They must have a different future for their company than Destiny, because they sure aren't treating this like their passion.
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  • [quote]Yes, Activision left. The company return on equity dropped from 11.57% in 3rd quarter 2017 to 2.83% in 4th quarter 2017, and just happened to single out Destiny as underperforming and failing to re-engage the waiting players. They know Bungie is dragging them down (and other dev titles, but Destiny was one of the biggest offenders) and they cut the cord. I don't care what rosy picture Bungie painted with the announcement, that's what really happened. Bungie [i]should[/i] be more engaging and customer driven than ever. But I just don't see it. They must have a different future for their company than Destiny, because they sure aren't treating this like their passion.[/quote] All they had to do was maintain D1 Y3 and improve on it. Instead they took inexplicably idiotic and infuriating steps back and the community rightfully never forgave them.

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  • Exactly, and even now, with all the backward steps, they still refuse to admit they screwed up. In fact after fixing a few things they have already started screwing it up again. Old subclasses, pre nerf, need to come back and a full integration of the old game assets with the new. Going forward new assets need to be included with the whole. One big game incorporating everything.

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  • Edited by SgtVolcom: 2/12/2019 1:17:39 PM
    When a company like activision willingly abdicates of 400 MILLION dollars in possible profit... Hum looks like shit,smells like shit, tastes like shit this is probably shit.... Only time will tell

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  • Agreed. Bungie has not in any way appeared passionate about destiny since the taken king. Forsaken was largely the work of outside help.

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  • yup they are a business that ONLY cares about making money and they looked at this game and clearly decided it was not going to make them a dime. They were placing resources at it and not having hope of a return so they bailed. I agree with you on that and we will see if the game is to sink or swim in the next six months give or take as this current roadmap comes to an end.

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  • I think, sadly, that sink is all it can do without a serious backer. A return to Microsoft could not only save destiny but actually make it as great as its potential. Of course that probably wont happen. Activision was simply and woefully the wrong partner. As stated, they only care about quick, easy profit. A philosophy, i fear, that rubbed off on bungie.

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  • My my aren’t you special

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  • Edited by The Big Cheese: 2/11/2019 6:46:07 PM
    Most people actually don't understand what Activision did bring to the table as a publisher even if they aren't my favorite either. Activision is pretty good at knowing how to make money and if Activision walks away from a franchise like Destiny, it can very easily signal that they see the writing on the wall that consumers aren't capable of seeing yet. If Bungie has been excellent at one thing only, it's certainly been marketing. The tweet that everyone at Bungie studios applauded the Activision split is purely a marketing tactic. But I think they have exhausted that marketing prowess at this point and I don't see the bright future that some of the Bungie homers think is coming down the road. At best I think we get another annual pass this September that all but seals Destiny 2's fate given how well received this first one was, yet they won't even have the help of a studio like Vicarious Visions working on it with them. Bungie lost a lot of backing and I really don't think it was their decision to split. But like every person that has ever been dumped, it was obviously mutual.

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  • Agreed. The thing about the annual pass that really puts the writing on the wall for me is that bungie was very coy in presenting it. They [i]knew[/i] what it was and how it would be perceived. In other words they knew they were delivering a rip off. That certainly does not make it likely that destiny is a big part of their future plans.

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  • Agreed. That’s why another annual pass would never work. We’ve see how they do it and it’s not great. Anything short of an expansion the size of something a little bigger than Warmind but not as big as Forsaken and I don’t think they get anyone to buy it. I think a lot of people already passed (no pun) on this one to begin with. An annual pass is just a way of saying “we don’t have enough time or energy to give you more content but give us some money anyways.”

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  • I'm not so sure that's how it went down because Activision is in a whole heap of legal trouble over Loot boxes in their cod games and are being investigated by the feds. that's why in any of the recent cods they are giving away all kinds of free shit that used to be in the loot boxes to make up for their greedy gambling tactics. a hopeful act since they already made billions off of suckers that actually spent money on loot boxes. I think bungie caught wind of this and bailed to distance themselves from the Activision shit show.

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  • You mean like eververse

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  • Nope. Bungie wasn’t on the hook for any of it. Stop lying to yourself.

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  • Edited by The Big Cheese: 2/12/2019 3:41:20 AM
    Activision owned the contract. It would certainly need their say so to end early. My assumption is if Activision thought they could continue to milk the Destiny player base, they never would have agreed to let Bungie have it. Activision is all about making money so they will jump ship whenever they feel the grab is over. I am not saying Activision isn't in their own trouble and stumbling down the hill, but this break certainly seems to have been initiated by Activision. There is no way Bungie thought trying to self publish in the middle of Destiny 2 was the best move. Everything they will lose as part of the split with a publisher as large as Activision is going to leave Bungie scrambling, no doubt. I hope Destiny 3 blows us away and we can point ours fingers and know for a fact that Activision was what tried to ruin Destiny one day. But if I was a betting man, I say we never see that day.

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  • It is unlikely that Destiny 3 will see the light of day without a new major backer.

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  • I am very worried that this is the case... I can't say it much better than you did.

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