I created a feedback post but figured I'd also drop it right here too.
Look, I want you to know I'm thankful for extras and want to see events like this one continue.
Here is some constructive feedback after my first moments playing the event.
1. Music: it's definately Christmas music. But, that's the problem. In December Christmas music dominates all month long. The last thing I needed was more Christmas music. Instead of "hot chocolate latte" music, bring on the "trans siberian orchestra-ish" music.
2. The theme. The theme is basically baking. Which is fine, for girls and I guess there are some dudes that'll be keen to bake. I'm not, because I play Destiny to be a god slaying zombie assassin, not bake cookies like a 14 year old boy in Home Ec for the chicks.
3. Feminization. The music, the baking, the emotes, the gear... it's all super feminine. I am sick and tired of the lack of ruthless emotes, hardcore music, gear that looks mean,... and stop making cosmetics that are 'pretty'. Give me an emote where I rip a spine out of someone, crush a skull, break a back, some emotes where I'm acting just as ruthless as I am in the game.
So, I may participate, I may not. Either way, in the future, let's get super dark and violent. This game, at its core, is super violent. Own it, reflect violence and gore in the emotes and gear.
Thanks again!
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Ugh. Stop generalizing.
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I believe I spoke specifically to how I wasnt generalizing...
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Nah this is some disproven shit. What you are describing is not true at all. It is long believed for no good reason, but that doesn't make it true. The notion that females are weaker or more apologetic is obnoxious. Canada is well known for its zeal with apologies, are you implying all of Canada is feminine? I mean come the -blam!- on dude it's 2018 gender in the manner you describe is just not a fact of how we have come to view things and more importantly what the science is backing up.
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Actually. Scientifically speaking what I wrote was accurate. Notice I didnt say ALL or EVERY. Smaller subsets of each gender, yes gender is real despite what your teachers may say, deviate from the norms.
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Your “facts” aren’t facts. They are over generalized norms. Apologizing is human. Baking is human. You’ll rue the day you don’t have someone to bake for you, you might have to do it yourself. The game is putting HAPPY AND FUN. Into this event. If fun to you looks feminine, you may be missing out on some wonderful things in life. Before you respond; I am an adult with a degree in psychology and 15 years in the field. My intention isn’t to make fun, it’s to point out your oversights and expand the reach of the conversation. I am not a fan of all the aspects to the dawning, but when a game is dark and involves shooting things in the face all day, a BIT of joy and playfulness is just what the doctor ordered.
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Great response.
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You and I define "happy" and "fun" differently. If your pedigree was genuine you would not espouse them so.
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Edited by Hatter: 12/12/2018 10:39:25 PM.....Ok, I understand you are taking a scientific approach in looking at this, and I respect that. You've put some thought into this. I completely and utterly 150% disagree with your way of thinking about this (I'm having a hard time explaining this without too much detail and getting too fired up, so I'll go with I just...do) and I don't really believe there is a need for more masculinity in the game, but, I do respect your opinion. So, I'll agree to disagree
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Dude, just disagree. Proving my perspective for me, while appreciated, is just going to lead to you being more upset. Let it out, Mr. Passive Aggressive pants. Look, make your life great in your way. Im sure youre a totally cool person. Own your feelings, own your opinions, champion them. But, "agree to disagree"? Dude, thats weak, and feminine. Now, if you had wrote, "youre welcome to your opinion but I totally disagree", I can respect that. But Im not agreeing to disagree.
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You have an outdated definition of what constitutes femininity. This isn’t the 1950S.
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You may subscribe to the progressive ideals that are tearing society apart, I dont. Gender is real and it is determined at birth. The concept of gender fluidity is a hotly debated subject science still rejects the notion. For example, in your ideals, I should be able to claim billionaire status if its ok for a girl to say she is a boy. Heck, I should be able to identify as an attack helicopter. The very notion of gender identity is rediculous. That said, there is a infinitessimal percentage of births that blur the line, somewhere around .0001% of the population is born with a birth defect affecting gender. Can a boy have feminine traits, sure, but they're still a boy. Blue booties dont change color just cause you feel like they should.
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Wait... now I get it. Your either a troll or an idiot! Owning opinions and feelings is one way of being unable to make compromise and understand others. He DID own it, he just left room to respect and understand your difference in opinion. You have much to learn about relationships and adulthood. I feel like we all got baited by a trolling child...
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I guess your name is a euphamism?
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Excuse me? Look, let's get something straight: I'm the type of guy that if I saw you on the street and you pissed me off I would punch you in the face without a second thought. Trust me I'm not the passive aggressive type. Let me make myself clear. I dislike and vehemently disagree with your way of thinking. I think it's very wrong. However, to keep the peace, I'm just going to disagree. And agree to disagree to not argue any further. You have your opinions, and I respect that. I also have mine. That is all I'm saying. It's interesting you think it's weak to respect ones opinions and choose not to fight over it. I really have no need to prove my masculinity, and by you judging a person like you are based on ways he or she may respond is rather childish. You don't know me. I don't know you. I respect your opinions because you seem like an alright guy. I just disagree with your way of thinking.
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You are the type of guy who punch someone in the face over a simple disagreement? That just further reinforces my assertions because passive aggression leads to explosive rage which can lead to physical violence, usually unwanton. What I am communicating to you is the vital importance of handling conflict appropriately. Not avoiding it. Not "agreeing to disagree". Not apologizing for yourself. Truly handling it, lay the cards out there and let em play. If you truly werent concerned with justification, you wouldnt state that you dont need to be justified. Doing so is yet another passive aggressive, effeminate stance employed to garner apologetic actions from another as a way to communicate and claim victim status. Now. I dont know you. You may have some deep seated traumas. Hell, most people I share my life stories with cringe and shutter, expressing dismay over how much truly aweful crap can actually happen to one person. So, I bet I would understand your trauma, if it exists, better than many. But, hey, life can be rough, there is always tomorrow, and tomorrow will be a great day. Also, if I could, Id lift you up and help you stand on your own. But, itd still be up to you to stand.
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Alright. It seems you have some very misguided thoughts on what I said. You sound like you're another man trying to live his life. While I do appreciate your thoughts on the subject, I've lived my life and gotten where I am currently well enough. I'm good man. Real good. Wouldn't be where I am if I didn't know how to resolve things, or if I didn't have God at my back. Please don't. That's rather disrespectful. Do you and I'll do me. I don't think you quite understand passive aggression as I do, nor do I think you're looking at things through the right lenses (masculinity vs feminity). I'll continue to disagree with that. I also think that while you're not trying to, the way you speak can very much sound and does sound condescending. Especially to me who is just another guy out here trying to live his life. I appreciate your thoughts, but I really don't need them. I appreciate your advice, but it is unwanted. And I respect your opinions, but I disagree. I'm gonna leave it at that. Take care man. Wishing you all the best.
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*sitting back, smiling* I knew this discourse would go nowhere but it was fun to engage. Keep God at your back, at your front, on your sides, everywhere. He goes before us and so no one can stand against us. The battles are won and this all temporary. You take care as well.
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TESTOSTERONE OVERLOAD EVERYTHING MUST BE AGGRESSIVE EVERYTHING MUST BE MANLY EVERYTHING MUST BE ULTRAMASCULINE In all seriousness, if you think cooking or baking is somehow an emasculating activity, it's probably because you suck at it, and that harsh reality challenges your view of yourself as the ultramasculine, perfect-at-all-things bastion of manliness. In a universe of perpetual violence and warfare that is generally dreary and overshadowed by creeping death and plotting enemies, it's a nice change of pace to have a bunch of quests that promote nothing more than being nice to people for the sake of it. The winter holidays are a time to relax and enjoy company and happiness, even in the dismal future world of Destiny, so lighten the -blam!- up, pal. If you want an absurdly over-the-top violent brotastic heavy metal kill-everything-for-no-reason-other-than-it-is-there game, go play Killing Floor 2 (great game and not too expensive). Destiny is not, and hasn't ever really been, that game.
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Im actually pretty good at baking. Just made a killer fugas bread. I even watch GBBO and Nailed It with the wife. But, if Im making a choice, Ill go off roading, hunting, hiking, shooting, or (I hope in 6 months I can get ready) run another Spartan race. D2 may not be Killing Floor, which sounds awesome btw, but we do essentially murder thousands of creatures during a given session for morally ambiguous reasons. So, its pretty ultraviolent. Im not looking for something over the top masculine, I dont have that need, but I am looking for a good balance. This event, as it is, tipped the scales way towards the feminine direction. Even my wife was like, "oh, that music is pretty girly honey, and baking? Do they just want girls playing this game now?". Anyway, fun talking to ya!
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I mean, as long as you admit there's no need for everything to be ultramasculine, I really don't care. Personally, I partake in a lot of the same things (offroading and shooting, mainly). But I don't see why Destiny really needs more 'masculine' stuff. There is a lot of murder, yeah, but the rationale behind it isn't supposed to be morally ambiguous. You're doing it for the 'good of humanity' (which is completely ambiguous, to be honest, but what with your power coming from the Light, and how the story is framed, it really doesn't come across as though ambiguity were the intention). Given that winter themes tend toward cheer and what not, the general opposite of grit and murder, it's going to come across more effeminate, but I think that's a reasonable and enjoyable change of pace given the season. Were it to happen in, say, July, I'd be a bit more put off by it, but hey, it's Christmas. Let's murder aliens and bake their essence into cookies (which is what you're doing if you think about how the drops come, and is pretty metal if you ask me). Also, yes, Killing Floor 2 is a great game. Basic concept is buy guns, the use them to kill zombie monster things, which in turn allows you to buy larger guns and kill more zombie monster things. Definitely a great way to de-stress after a long day.
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I can see your perspective, and respect it. Heck, if I already wasn't drowning in cheer, I may even share your perspective. I still want my spine ripping emote though... :)
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Whats wrong with baking and Christmas music?
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Nothing, in moderation. There's already Christmas music overload and Im already watching baking shows with my wife. Its just too much.
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Well it is the holidays. My hungry self loves cookies and I would gladly bake some just to eat them. And honestly, why can’t a video game be more « feminine » without being dora the explorer? There are girls playing d2 too you know.
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Then let the girls bake. Id rather Eva have death bounties to claim, let me collect ingredients for poisons, or oarts for super weapons, or something grisly like severed torsos of enemies. Something other than soft music, cutesy baking, and pretty gear. Heck, Ill collect shards of darkness to infuse into snowballs and use snowballs as deadly weapons of mass destruction. But enough with the cutesy crap.