So we all remember the books of sorrow, right? [spoiler]If not go read em they’re great. https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/books-of-sorrow[/spoiler] So there is a specific entry I want to focus on today. [b]XXXIII: When do monsters have dreams. [/b] Here is the card: [quote]I’m walking down the road, I’m going to the orrery to talk to my dad, and I hear, well, I hear this noise, so I look back. And my sisters are behind me, and they’re ripping up the road. They’ve got these huge swords, execution swords, and they’re levering the stones out of the road. The stones are covered in writing. They’re like tablets. And there’s dirt underneath full of worms. I need to get to the orrery before they catch up to me so I start running but right away someone trips me, it’s my dad, he’s got his foot out and he grabs me by the horns and just slams me down on my face. I’m in so much pain I nearly throw up a worm. “Why weren’t you ready for this,” dad says. He’s wearing glare goggles, those shiny goggles that he’d use to save his vision during lightning storms or sea fire. All three of his eyes reflect me. “Didn’t you know they’d be jealous, because they couldn’t come to the orrery and talk to me? Didn’t you know they’d move against you??” I start wailing like I’m two days old again and I say, Dad, I thought you were my friend, I’m supposed to be safe here. But he just puts out his fist and I realize he’s laughing at me for believing him, why did I think I’d be safe? In his fist he’s got a black sun and he holds me by the throat and goes to tip the black sun inside me. I can see my jaws in his goggles, three reflections of my jaws with so many teeth. So I start eating my dad. I bite huge pieces out of him and I claw him up. I eat his legs and I eat his arms and I eat his goggles and his eyes and he says, good, good, this is majestic and true. But my sisters are still tearing up the road so I don’t know how to get back.[/quote] So I want to propose that this entry is written by Nokris. Let me explain: Firstly it is written before Crota and Ir Halak and Ir Anuk were birthed (as far as I can find). This means we can rule them out. Now it could be Oryx, but as far as we know it is a child. And at this point Oryx is the Taken King. Another point is what the dad in the entry is said to do: [quote]In his fist he’s got a black sun and he holds me by the throat and goes to tip the black sun inside me.[/quote] I believe the ‘Black sun’ is a physical representation of the taken blight. Further reinforcing, it isn’t from Oryx’s perspective. Another argument is that it’s a dream that has made Oryx a young child and that his ‘dad’ is in fact the Osmium King. The Hive gods father. However I’d like to suggest that it’s not him and it’s not this. In entry [b]II: The hateful verse[/b], the Osmium King is described as mad and neglectful of his duties as king. However we never hear that he would harm his own children, especially given that his species need to survive. I’d like to acknowledge the elephant in the Wormhusk Crown lore tab: [quote]The second son. The disowned. Spawned into this world as a lesser being, so unlike the warrior-son, Crota. But one must not only sharpen their blade. [/quote] Note he is called the second son. Not necessarily imply that he is younger. Being second is more about acknowledgement and feats. Crota has these. Nokris did not. Now. I’d like to hand over to my good friend Superskybro, who’ll try to counter argue me. [i]Hey... How's it going? You come here often? Wait Chubby sent you? Oh yeah right! I almost forgot! Ok so here's how I see this whole who said what argument between Crota and Nokris. The way I see it is that Oryx let Crota write a page in the books of sorrow, and Crota being a good for nothing failure put that page in the wrong order. My other reasoning behind this is that the way Nokris talks in his cards is completely different then the mysterious Oryx spawn in thebook, not to mention Oryx said he wiped out all traces of Nokris from the books of sorrow and the world's grave. You can't really compare the line "We will die and be reborn in your name, feed you the souls of our enemies" with "I almost through up my worm"; But hey that's just me. [/i] Leave your ideas below. Thanks to sky for his...participation.